Robertriley
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Mini Ideor track bike, anyone have info on these? It's just cool but I don't know the first thing about it. What's your thoughts on Date Made? Value? Rarity? Was it a kids racers or a dealer sample?
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Mini Ideor track bike, anyone have info on these?
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dnc1
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
They built bikes with 24 inch diameter wheels for juniors track racing.
Quality Italian manufacturers.
I'm thinking 60's, maybe 70's.
I can't tell what size wheels you have on there, but even without tyres they look too small for that frameset.
Way too much clearance between fork crown and rim.
Does it feature Magistroni headset and cranks/chainring?
Nice find.
Quality Italian manufacturers.
I'm thinking 60's, maybe 70's.
I can't tell what size wheels you have on there, but even without tyres they look too small for that frameset.
Way too much clearance between fork crown and rim.
Does it feature Magistroni headset and cranks/chainring?
Nice find.
dnc1
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
In the early 60's their Californian importer was the Montrose bike shop.
I don't know if that was in your area @Robertriley, or whether that bike shop still exists?
@juvela ?
I don't know if that was in your area @Robertriley, or whether that bike shop still exists?
@juvela ?
juvela
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
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Wow!
upon reading the header was expecting a machine with 600A size wheels but this looks to be clearly smaller
the rims should carry a marking - are they something such as 500A?
the Ideor Asso marque was produced by the firm Soc. Acc. Torello G. & C. of Savona from about 1927 to 1963
poster of 1939 -
business card of 1940 -
replacement transfers available from forum member Gus Salmon-
adult road model of the 1930's -
catalogue page of 1962 -
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some additional information and photos here -
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Wow!
upon reading the header was expecting a machine with 600A size wheels but this looks to be clearly smaller
the rims should carry a marking - are they something such as 500A?
the Ideor Asso marque was produced by the firm Soc. Acc. Torello G. & C. of Savona from about 1927 to 1963
poster of 1939 -
business card of 1940 -
replacement transfers available from forum member Gus Salmon-
adult road model of the 1930's -
catalogue page of 1962 -
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some additional information and photos here -
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Robertriley
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Here's some specs
wheel diameter - 38cm - 15" (sew up rims)
Wheel base - 75cm- 29.5"
Seat tube - 40cm - 15.75"
op tube - 42cm - 16.5"
wheel diameter - 38cm - 15" (sew up rims)
Wheel base - 75cm- 29.5"
Seat tube - 40cm - 15.75"
op tube - 42cm - 16.5"
juvela
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
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thank you Chris for this additional information
one thing am wondering about -
due to the cycle's very small size suspect frame may be constructed of a juvenile tube set
would be curious to learn the tube diameters
the usual "junior racer" bicycles have 24"/600A wheels and their frames are constructed of adult dimension tubing
there is such a thing as a juvenile tube set
would expect we might find a steerer and top tube of 23.0mm and down and seat tubes of 26.0mm
when a juvenile tube set is employed it makes everything "special" such as headset, stem, lugs (if employed) which would not need to be special on a larger juvenile which employed adult dimension tubing. they often exhibit lugless construction to get around the lug sizing problem.
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did run across another juvenile Ideor machine a few years back; do not know if genuine -
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fittings on subject cycle -
chainset Magistroni
pedals by Noli-Cattaneo, Sheffield Corsa Nr. 655
hubs "probably" Fratelli Brivio, regardless how marked
headset not the usual Ideor-Magistroni one might expect due to likely small steerer size, unknown
one-piece stem/bar set appears it may be Ambrosio
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wheel size, here is a chart which jumps from 14" to 16" and from 350 to 400. your measured dimension seems to fall in between.
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links -
manufacturer catalogue of 1939, includes images of factory interior
ruotedicarta.blogspot.com
lively Ideor discussion over at BF with lots of information and imagery
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thank you Chris for this additional information
one thing am wondering about -
due to the cycle's very small size suspect frame may be constructed of a juvenile tube set
would be curious to learn the tube diameters
the usual "junior racer" bicycles have 24"/600A wheels and their frames are constructed of adult dimension tubing
there is such a thing as a juvenile tube set
would expect we might find a steerer and top tube of 23.0mm and down and seat tubes of 26.0mm
when a juvenile tube set is employed it makes everything "special" such as headset, stem, lugs (if employed) which would not need to be special on a larger juvenile which employed adult dimension tubing. they often exhibit lugless construction to get around the lug sizing problem.
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did run across another juvenile Ideor machine a few years back; do not know if genuine -
Ideor 24" Wheel Juvenile - Bike Forums
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www.bikeforums.net
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fittings on subject cycle -
chainset Magistroni
pedals by Noli-Cattaneo, Sheffield Corsa Nr. 655
hubs "probably" Fratelli Brivio, regardless how marked
headset not the usual Ideor-Magistroni one might expect due to likely small steerer size, unknown
one-piece stem/bar set appears it may be Ambrosio
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wheel size, here is a chart which jumps from 14" to 16" and from 350 to 400. your measured dimension seems to fall in between.
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links -
manufacturer catalogue of 1939, includes images of factory interior
Ruote di Carta
ruotedicarta.blogspot.com
lively Ideor discussion over at BF with lots of information and imagery
Local IDEOR find - Bike Forums
Classic & Vintage - Local IDEOR find - Another "out of the blue" referral and phone call from someone wanting to sell an old guy's bike, this time from the relatives of the old guy (a PhD), instead of the rider himself. A 1960's bike always sparks my interest, so I went by bike to look at it...
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corbettclassics
I live for the CABE
I saw that IDEOR JR model on Facebook and thought how rare that little guy is..!!!!
I bought mine ( not the JR ) from the original owner but not the "ASSO" model. It is the "IDEOR SUPER" which was apparently the top of the line Track Racer.
Owner told me it was 1954. I'll have to find better pics but rare to find any IDEOR bike.
I'm positive Montrose Bike Shop is still there. I've been going there for 30 yrs. They used to display several TOC racers on the wall as well as the Schwinn Pacing bike by Letourner. I have several photos from inside the shop. The private attic had lots of amazing memorabilia not on display.
I bought mine ( not the JR ) from the original owner but not the "ASSO" model. It is the "IDEOR SUPER" which was apparently the top of the line Track Racer.
Owner told me it was 1954. I'll have to find better pics but rare to find any IDEOR bike.
I'm positive Montrose Bike Shop is still there. I've been going there for 30 yrs. They used to display several TOC racers on the wall as well as the Schwinn Pacing bike by Letourner. I have several photos from inside the shop. The private attic had lots of amazing memorabilia not on display.
Freqman1
Riding a '37 Dayton Super Streamline
You need to get it roadworthy. I want to see a pic of @fordmike65 riding on a Coaster Ride! Oh wait its not a Schwinn-never mind. V/r Shawn
juvela
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
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thanks so much for posting - what a beauty!
ironically in the range of road models the Super is the bottom of hierarchy
the top three models are constructed of Columbus and the Super is constructed of Mannesmann
here is a catalogue page for the Super road model of 1962 -
the bulge-formed head of a Super road model -
one interesting thing regarding the Super road model is that a lady's model was offered as well as the gents, termed the La Signora -
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Ideor Asso marked hubset -
Ideor marked spanner -
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evidently a folder was included in the model range -
this poster states he has one -
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