Maybe a Dutch Bike?

[non-fixie]

Interesting find! A quick search revealed no further evidence of Juncker having made these. However, the Dutch association De Oude Fiets (The Old Bicycle), has planned a publication on the history of Juncker, which I should have in the mail in December.

In the meantime I would like to consult the local specialists via their forum about these bikes (I am a member there), if that is OK with you.

 

[Mercian]

Hi,

I suspect made in Germany in the immediate post WW2 period, either for export to the US, or sale withing the US Occupied zone.

One clue is the stamping of 'West' below 'Made in Germany'. This means the hub was made after 1952 according to this article:.

Made In West Germany - Antique Outings

Made In West Germany

antiqueoutings.com

The original stamp is probably from 1949 onwards, and the west added after 1952. However, production in W. Germany only restarted in 1952, so the original stamp dates from then, with West added very soon after.

The Centrix hub also has an interesting history, see here if you read German:

IFA Fahrradnabenwerk Dresden – DDR-FahrradWiki

ddr-fahrradwiki.de

If you don't then, roughly, it was designed in Germany in 1931, built until 1943 when the factory was destroyed. Manufacture restarted in Dresden (Soviet zone of occupation) in 1947, and stopped in 1953. In 1952 the designer and his wife escaped to West Germany and set up a factory in Gevelsberg (North Rhine-Westphalia), They built large numbers of Centrix hubs were also exported in large quantities.

Best Regards,

Adrian

 

[Oilit]

Interesting find! A quick search revealed no further evidence of Juncker having made these. However, the Dutch association De Oude Fiets (The Old Bicycle), has planned a publication on the history of Juncker, which I should have in the mail in December.

In the meantime I would like to consult the local specialists via their forum about these bikes (I am a member there), if that is OK with you.

I will be glad to hear anything you can find out. Thank you!

 

[Oilit]

Hi,

I suspect made in Germany in the immediate post WW2 period, either for export to the US, or sale withing the US Occupied zone.

One clue is the stamping of 'West' below 'Made in Germany'. This means the hub was made after 1952 according to this article:.

Made In West Germany - Antique Outings

Made In West Germany

antiqueoutings.com

The original stamp is probably from 1949 onwards, and the west added after 1952. However, production in W. Germany only restarted in 1952, so the original stamp dates from then, with West added very soon after.

The Centrix hub also has an interesting history, see here if you read German:

IFA Fahrradnabenwerk Dresden – DDR-FahrradWiki

ddr-fahrradwiki.de

If you don't then, roughly, it was designed in Germany in 1931, built until 1943 when the factory was destroyed. Manufacture restarted in Dresden (Soviet zone of occupation) in 1947, and stopped in 1953. In 1952 the designer and his wife escaped to West Germany and set up a factory in Gevelsberg (North Rhine-Westphalia), They built large numbers of Centrix hubs were also exported in large quantities.

Best Regards,

Adrian

Now that's a story, talk about overcoming obstacles! Thanks for the link!

 

[non-fixie]

I will be glad to hear anything you can find out. Thank you!

Done. For those who want to practice reading Dutch: you can follow along here: Who knows what this is? (Juncker content)

 

[Schwinny]

Cantilever & Camelback frames made in other countries are unusual for sure.
Here is one that is a German Royce Union model from the late 50's
Any clues here? Underneath the guard, the chainring is the same snowflake design but the crank arms are different

 

[Oilit]

Cantilever & Camelback frames made in other countries are unusual for sure.
Here is one that is a German Royce Union model from the late 50's
Any clues here? Underneath the guard, the chainring is the same snowflake design but the crank arms are different

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There seems to be a number of "American" styled European designs that all show up in the late '50's, and trying to sort out the different manufacturers is a job. They're all similar looking, but the details are different. Here's an Austrian version imported by Sears, at first glance it looks like yours but...:

1962 J.C. Higgins made in Austria | International Bicycles

You see a lot of the diamond-frame J.C. Higgins/Sears Austrian 3 speeds but fewer of this style. The chain guard on this one isn't original, but most of the rest is. A lot of the details are very similar to the diamond frame lightweights, so I'm guessing these were also made by...

thecabe.com

 

[non-fixie]

Well, my thread on the Dutch Oude Fiets forum yielded another Flying Jet, and the thought that the "Bob Maxwell" might also be a Juncker, and that a picture of the serial number would be very helpful to either support or dismiss that possibility.

@Oilit have you got a clear picture of the serial number?

 

[Oilit]

Well, my thread on the Dutch Oude Fiets forum yielded another Flying Jet, and the thought that the "Bob Maxwell" might also be a Juncker, and that a picture of the serial number would be very helpful to either support or dismiss that possibility.

@Oilit have you got a clear picture of the serial number?

I took a couple, but neither came out very clear. Here's what I've got and I'll try to get a better one this weekend. There's a "U" and then a six digit number about 25 mm above the letter.

 

[3-speeder]

Searching for information on Centrix, I ran across this bike that has some similarities. Listed by a store in Madison WI. There doesn't seem to be much on Centrix, or at least not that I've found - yet.

Budget Bicycle Center - Vintage Junckers Dutch Flying Jet Middleweight Cruiser Bicycle Bike 17.5"

Vintage Junckers Dutch Flying Jet Middleweight Cruiser Bicycle Bike 17.5"

budgetbicyclectr.com

Only other mention I've seen of a Flying Jet. Mine had a SA AW hub with a 56 12 stamp. Same design on the headbadge.
Post #8778 here: https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/what-bike-did-you-ride-today.61973/page-878#post-863590
I think that would be pretty cool if it were a Dutch bike. Kinda thought it was German.
Sorry to stretch out on a tangent here