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My bike has "S-6 tubular" rims. The tires are very old and say 27 x 1-1/4 Schwinn Breeze Sports on them. The local shops tried and can't help get tires. I notice there are Kenda 26 x 1-1/4 tires available online and the ad says "Fits old Schwinn S-6 rim."
Does anyone know if these 26 tires will fit my rims, even though the original tires say 27?
I think the bike was made around 1970.
Thanks much in advance for any advice!
 
26" tires will not fit 27" rims.

how bad are the tires you have? I figure if they do not pop overnight at full pressure they are good to go. maybe add some heavy duty "thorn proof" tubes.

I don't know if anyone is making Schwinn specific 27'' tires, but I have never looked.

when I need tires for my Schwinn specific rims I find original Schwinn tires.
 
Here is a chart I use as a cheat-sheet
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Would the #4 also have an S-6 stamping? The chart seems to suggest that. Also the first two 27 x 1 1/4" rims have the #3 in the square to the left of the description suggesting they are S-6
 
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No 26" tire is going fit a 27" S-6 rim. There are 26" S-6 rims and they take the hard to find tires. Sounds like your LBS is not involved very deep into bikes. They sell lawnmowers and do bikes as a sideline?

Here's the ebay page. Sunlite is a distributor and not a tire manufacture so they sell different brands. If you opt for the cheaper China brands, I prefer the CST tires over Kenda's.
 
Wow, you guys are great, thanks for the tips. Yep, the two local bike shops I went to,..neither one could figure out where to get the tires I needed. I'm in Vegas. I think they just want to make quick bucks selling electric bicycles these days.
 
Make sure you shop the prices when you decide what tires to get. There has been a bike tire shortage for quite a few months now and some people are jacking the prices up considerably to take advantage of the situation. If you can find what you want locally it may save you a few bucks or the price of shipping.
 
Many local bike shops will not have any 27" (630mm) tires and further more, many of their bumbling moron idiots working there will not have a clue as to where and how to obtain 27" (630mm) tires since 27" tires have not typically been seen on road bikes since about 1985. Obviously, you can see these clueless twits are late teens or twenty somethings, so they cannot comprehend something that a bicycle from 35+ years ago would require and they simply do not care because typically so few of that local bike shop's clientele even owns a quality road-bike that is that old.

27" (630mm) tires are widely available HOWEVER YOU WILL NOT FIND THESE AT A LOCAL BIKE SHOP.
Check the bay for webstores of major US web bike stores such as Trailthis, Bikewagon, BikeSmiths and others.
There are none of these players that are any better than any other competitors. They all do a great job and ship you the tires untwisted in just a couple of days at an excellent competitive price. Compare everybody's prices and offerings because it changes like the wind & weather as to which particular player has the best price at the moment and the particular tire in current inventory.

The international standard of the bead seat diameter is (630mm) for 27" tires.
Given that you do have original equipment wheels that are from the bike-boom era, YOU WILL REQUIRE tires with a WIRE BEAD because they will be better situated and likely safer as far as the mounting under all conditions with the rims of the seventies and earlier.

Now, I'm not an expert on the current variances from all the different manufacturers as to how accurate & how much they may do in fact cheat on the published-stated Tread Width of their current tire.
No joke, some tire manufacturers 32 - 630 tire (32mm tread width - 630mm (27") tire) is actually closer to 28mm tread width. Very few are actually 32mm in tread width. Some are. You'll have to do your own COLUMBO detective work on thr particular tire model & brand, because there seems like there are variances within different models of a manufacturer's 630mm(27") tire line.
I have no explanation as to how or why this came about.

The tires made by PANASONIC, the various PANARACERS have long been among the best for those wanting the best overall performance of speed, traction, durability and quality control. PANASONIC (Matsupoopa) ceased bicycle production after the death of the company's founder in 1989 but they did continue producing perhaps the best bicycle tires of their kind in the industry. Panasonic was known for producing very good bicycles from economy models to top grade models during the 1970's and 1980's. You can say that their tires, like their trailblazing electronics' quality, well you can say is Just Slightly Ahead of Their Time.

Just as you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, one does not necessarily need the lightweight, speedy tires. It would probably be a waste on any bicycle that weighs in excess of 30 pounds, and would not do you any good unless your aim is to compete is some simple ordinary "sprint" triathlon or wish to maintain a 19 mph average group riding pace with the "A group" on the local bike shops' weekly rides.

Inexpensive basic (630mm) tire offerings like the 32-630 Kenda K35 is really most all that anyone with a 30+ pound bike boom ten speed would ever need.
Now, I mentioned the width cheating that some manufacturers' model tires engage in....
Here is yet another important consideration:
Some tires like the MICHELIN Protek 32-630 tires have a considerably thicker, and thus taller tread...thus slightly larger outer tire circumference such that with many bicycles with fenders, you could perhaps have a clearance issue depending on how close the fenders are. I have one bike, a 1971 Schwinn Suburban 5 speed with the MICHELIN Protek 32-630 tires. YOU COULD NOT RUN THE FACTORY FENDERS WITH THESE MICHELIN Protek 32-630 tires. They are great tires for what they are (extremely durable, puncture resistant, highly visible with reflective stripe...but extremely heavy tires).
The MICHELIN Protek 32-630 tires are among the widest of all the existing 32-630 tires, as there is no cheating on these models. I knew that the Protek 32-630 tires were also among the tallest, and would likely not allow the use of the factory fenders. Probably a dozen other brands' models 32-630 tires would easily clear the 1971 Suburban's factory fenders. From 1971 until 2016, that Suburban rolled about ten thousand miles with its fenders. If I want to reinstall the fenders, I would have to swap the Michelin Proteks with something like the Kenda K-35' s from another bike in my collection, or get new K35's or Panasellas or whatever that aren't so tall with such thick tread etc.

Do not let anyone tell you that you don't have a decent selection from which to choose from in 27" (630mm) tires.
You have easily more than a dozen different tires to choose from.
NO, Your Local Bike Shop Is Not Gonna Carry 27" (630mm) tires, BECAUSE THEY WOULD RATHER THAT YOU WOULD BUY A NEW BICYCLE FROM THEM, RATHER THAN RIDE A STEEL CLASSIC ROAD-BIKE FROM THE Early80's, Seventies,Sixties,or Late Fifties.
Many local bike shops won't even order 27"(630mm) tires if you ask them to.
Just let your fingers do the walkin on your keyboard to the web and go on the bay or amazon or see what Google brings up as vendors offering 27" (630mm) tires. No joke, the huge web bike shops' on Ebay will likely have better pricing and inventory than Amazon. THIS IS FOR BRAND NEW, FRESH PRODUCTION INVENTORY!! NEVER PURCHASE AGED NOS or USED BICYCLE TIRES AS THAT IS ALWAYS A TERRIBLE IDEA !!! Some cabers routinely do that to match the year of their Bluebird or whatever but doing that for any bicycle that you will ride at above 5 mph is incredibly stupid! You need fresh enough tires and fresh enough caliper brake pads on any multispeed bicycle. Original equipment tires and brake pads are just beyond stupid and can be hazardous to your health if you ride said bicycle at above walking speed!

The SCHWINN 26" (597mm) S5 / S6 TIRES are labeled 26 x 1 3/8 597mm or something like EA-1 for Schwinn S5 / S6 wheels if the tires are 45+ years old. The international 597mm designation didn't yet exist then but as you can see the BEAD SEAT DIAMETER international designation clarifies what actually fits what.
There is the COMMON non-schwinn 26 x 1 3/8 tire WHICH IS 590mm. The 590mm 26 x 1 3/8 will not fit any Chicago SCHWINN. The 597mm 26 x 1 3/8 Schwinn tire is only manufactured by Kenda, called the k23 SCHWINN 597mm tire.
The 597mm 26 x 1 3/8 Schwinn tire WILL ONLY FIT Chicago Schwinns and some ancient rare English bikes from about 70 years ago that require EA-1 tires.
There are at least a half dozen manufacturers of the COMMON non-schwinn 590mm 26 x 1 3/8 tires.
Kenda's k23 597mm 26 x 1 3/8 Schwinn only tire is the only tire being manufactured today that fits Chicago Schwinns requiring the (26") 597mm size.


YOU CANNOT SUBSTITUTE A 26" TIRE for A 27" TIRE !!
YOU CANNOT SUBSTITUTE A 700C TIRE for A 27" TIRE !!!!

Depending on the specified width, generally you can sometimes use a 700C innertube in a 27" tire.
Well, this is because 700C has a bead seat diameter of 622mm, and you know that the 27" has a bead seat diameter of 630mm, so they are close enough that the overall stretch of the rubber tube MAY work FINE, IF, and it is A BIG IF, if the innertube is for a similar wide enough tread width range.

Okay, we established earlier that the 590mm COMMON -and- the 597mm SCHWINN 26 x 1 3/8 tires ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE!!!! The 26 x 1 3/8 innertubes ARE interchangeable because the stretch of the innertube rubber!
IF YOU WERE TO TRY AND ATTEMPT TO INSTALL THE COMMON 590mm TIRE ON TO A SCHWINN RIM, YOU WILL FIND THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE AS THE BEAD SEAT DIAMETER of 590mm Common Tire IS WAY TOO SMALL TO FIT ON TO A SCHWINN RIM. Vice Versa, if you try to Install the 597mm SCHWINN TIRE on to the COMMON 590mm Rim, You will find that the 597mm Schwinn Tire is TOO BIG.
This applies to CHICAGO Schwinn bikes.
The Schwinn factory closed in 1982.
Schwinn did sell a GIANT made, produced in Taiwan bicycle which carried the COLLEGIATE badge in 1983 & 1984 which has a 3 piece crank and common 26" 590mm wheels, but this was a 100% GIANT made bicycle that Schwinn imported when GIANT was not yet a known brand name in the western world.

I hope most of this makes sense and is helpful to anyone wondering about tires.
Remember that whatever you have, that the Bead Seat Diameter must match exactly......630mm for 27", 622mm for 700C,
597mm for the old Schwinn 26 x 1 3/8 , and 590mm for the old Common 26 x 1 3/8
559mm for the old 26" cruiser beach bikes and old mountain bikes

There are a few others too.
GOOGLE: 650 bike tire, Google: 650a bike tire, Google: 650b bike tire, Google: 650c bike tire
YOU WILL SEE THAT SOME OF THE 584mm TIRE SIZE HAS BEEN ESSENTIALLY RAISED FROM THE DEAD BY SOME OF THE HIGH-END BIKE SEGMENT, PROBABLY ONLY TO DISTINGUISH THEM FROM WHAT MIGHT BE VIEWED TOO MUCH AS ASSOCIATED WITH Kmart, Sears, JC Penneys bikes of the 60's & 70's -and- electroforged Schwinn Collegiates, Travelers, Co-Eds, Breeze, Speedsters, Racers, etc....and OH, THE HORROR OF BEING ASSOCIATED WITH SUCH BIKES THAT MILLIONS OF ORDINARY COMMON PEOPLE RODE. THEY PROBABLY REVIVED 584 TO DISTINGUISH AS BEING UPSCALE EXCLUSIVE, INSTEAD OF HAVING THE PERCEPTION OF BEING LOW-RENT.
It is sort of sad that the bicycle industry doesn't consider reviving the 27" (630mm) wheel size as it does offer several practical advantages. The problem is over coming the stigma of being considered by some know nothing young bike snobs as only being appropriate for "bum bikes" as any self respecting cyclist with means would simply upgrade to 700c rims. Yes, this does sound ridiculous and it is in fact ridiculous but this is how many of these young idiots think. One only has to spend some time over at bikeforums to see that probably 35% or more of the more vocal, young "serious cyclists" think like this.
Sure, you have more tire options today at 700C, but you also have plenty of 27" (630mm) options too, you just can't get the 27" tires from your Local bike shop because they don't want you to continue riding that old classic bike, they want to sell you a new bike, or a new set of 700c wheels!
 
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