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I have not heard of or seen this bike before. The back Storey sounds very plausible to me. In 1971 Steve had a Fastback "with a Kelsey Hayes disc brake, but I had a 1971 Paramount Tandem "with a Kelsey Hayes disc brake." I chucked the disc brake hub up in a lathe and saved the mounting...
Looks to me like someone is disputing the frame size of your bike. The Schwinn Paramount Frames are measured from the center of the bottom bracket (spindle) to the top of the seat lug. It is not measured like a European bike to the center of the top tube. The seat pin (seat post) has nothing...
Very nice "original" collection.
In California they would want to charge you $164 per car, per year, to keep them registered while stored in your own garage. At least that's what I just paid for my new 1957 Ranch Wagon license registration. It's much cheaper to collect bikes. LOL
John
Thank you for the posting.
I'm glad that you mentioned how far the stem was inserted into the steerer tube. Clearly the stem was adjusted "too high" and not supported by the fork steerer, and the unsupported stem flexed until it broke, in just 55 years of use. I guess the thing we should...
Not hard to get your bike back on the road with some available parts. Just use a normal #64 retainer, which is the same size. Or pop a couple of new balls into your existing retainer to make it useable. The metal ball retainer serves no purpose when the retainer is in actual use. Ride it...
I do not remember Placentia Schwinn Cyclery at that Chapman address, maybe before I moved back to So. Cal.?
The Placentia Schwinn Cyclery I remember was located in a small strip center on Placentia Ave. It was owned by Bill Cordes and run by Bill and his son. Their business was tied closely...
The Bean Son and Company was the Schwinn independent distributor in Northern California all the way to the end of that distribution period and replaced by the Schwinn Sales Companies (SSW). If you bought a new Schwinn anywhere in the Central Valley, Bay Area, Sacramento, Reno Basin, you...
I been a Unica Nitor Plastic rider since the 1960's, never met a Brooks that liked me.
When I got old, I moved up to a "leather padded" Unica.
As a Trackie, I always thought dragging a Brooks Pro around was extra weight.
As a motorcycle rider, I can assure you that no matter how big the...
It's not unusual to see a Chrome Paramount with decals missing. The water slide decals did not adhere very well to the smooth chrome plating. The bike likely had red pin stripping if it was chrome plated when it was originally built. The factory offered existing Paramount owners a refinish...
It's my opinion that the reason there was so many different, and unique lighted Schwinn signs and clocks was because they were mostly manufactured and shipped Regionally. They have always been hard to ship without damage. For example, we had a "special pre-order period" for a Schwinn Cycling...
Very cool item, Marty. Just think that even with that mask, just how much hand taping work was required to "two tone" a frame. We are talking about Production Models that were produced by the thousands every day. Not hand built Paramount's. My hats off to the Paint Department.
John
Leon, You have so much to share with this hobby, but you go off on tangents.
The History of Schwinn Bicycle Company should be available for all interested to see, to read, and to make up their own opinions. My opinion, and yours does not change anything to the history. The actual history is...
I count 36 spokes on the rear wheel. I agree that the rim will be plenty strong. But the way I read it; I think he was asking if the rim was age appropriate for the age of the bike? IMO, the rear rim is much newer (like 1960-70's). It could have had a wood rim, or a steel clad wood rim.
John
That's an interesting letter. I see several things that make me ask questions. It looks like an information sheet that was sent out to consumers that might have contacted the Schwinn Bicycle Company looking for vintage parts. That is not the type of letter that the Schwinn Consumer Relations...
Leon, just to help out your detailed memory.
The Schwinn Shop in Bakersfield you visited was Vincent's. It was owned by Vince Clareu (sp?) and yes he helped set up the 108 MPH speed record attempt on the then new Highway 99 south of Bakersfield. Vince started out selling newspapers on the...
Manufacturing accountants refer to what you are talking about as W.I.P. It's Work IN PROGRESS. It's the cost of the parts inventory, and the lead time the parts needed to be ordered, or built, in order to keep a large assembly factory running at a smooth speed. You can bet that one of the...
Agree! The taper in the hub wears, the clutch sticks into the worn taper and the noise is caused when the clutch finally releases. Save your NOS hub shell, search for some new old stock spokes and do the job as you started. Just a suggestion.
John
The stamped serial number on production built bikes had almost no meaning to Schwinn, excluding Paramount frames (all custom built) numbers which were tracked. They did not track normal production frames. Only the date of manufacture four digit number which was stamped on the name plate and...
Keep in mind that the bike in question might not have been directly ordered and shipped to any Schwinn Dealer. If it was a Jobber/Sales Company warehouse bike, it could have sat in their warehouse inventory for six months BEFORE it was purchased by a dealer and shipped to the Schwinn Dealer...
Pretty accurate summation for an old guy. LOL
All I would add is that you need to include the different branches of the Schwinn Family Trust. The only working and contributing members were from Edward "Eddy" Schwinn's branch (Edward JR., and Richard Schwinn) and for better or worse, they...
Yup, that's it.
But you might find some nicer pedals? As a rule of thumb, Girls/Ladies bikes have some nice parts and are not in high demand.
Good luck, John
Sorry, no photos from this old guy.
Schwinn did not make pedals, they would have been from Torrington, or later from Union. They may have the actual brand name or the Schwinn Approved name stamped on the dust caps. They do not look like the A.S. Phantom pedals. Be patient, you will find some...
I think you have received some good advice already. I would add that the Continental tires are not correct. If you can find some 24 x 2.125 Typhoons that would work. The pedals you want to source are 1/2" rubber junior width pedals (no reflector), we commonly called them ladies pedals because...
I have never seen, never worked on, never heard anything about these two Schwinn bikes.
The first derailer bike we ever had for sale in our store was a 26" wheel, Sky Blue "conventional" 8 speed Varsity with the suicide shifter.
John
Good point. I do remember times (in Arizona) when we had to pay a tax on all of our actual inventory, and my dad would curtail his ordering for several months to run down the total inventory valuation amount to reduce his tax owed.
John
GT, Let me say first that this may not answer your question, but you and others have asked so many questions it's hard to keep track, sorry.
Schwinn Bicycle Company had what they called Drop Ship orders and also Pool Car Orders that came directly from Chicago to the Dealer(s). These orders did...
Paramounts were a different animal all together. They were built one at a time, everyone was a custom build, a bike that a dealer had custom ordered, it was usually "already sold to a retail customer". Having a simplified way of tracking the order from credit approval to the paperwork design...
Schwinn produced an ad mat catalog for dealers to use. The dealer could use the clip art of any bicycle he wanted to advertise in his area. As long as the dealer's advertising met Schwinn's requirements (basically the federal "truth in advertising" laws) his ad qualified for a 50% Schwinn Co-op...
1st you have read wrong information, maybe just more internet hearsay?
Contrary of what we may think of today, having a new model year was not a big deal. The reason Schwinn offered new models/colors was just another way to keep the demand on the dealers to buy more inventory. In effect "keep...
And the fact that small specialty paint companies like One Shot continue to get bought out by the big paint companies. It's my understanding that PPG now owns the One Shot Brand. The cost of paint is mostly driven by the color pigments. Not much petroleum in a 1/2 pint can of paint.
John
The hourly rate sounds right to me. The labor time is way off. I would agree with others, that it's maybe a two hour (start to finish) job for an experienced pro painter.
BUT.........have any of you looked at the new pricing on One Shot Paint? I received my new Summit Racing catalog...
Same experience with Gibbs! Drove a "bare steel" High Boy for years. Wiped it on with a Scotch Bright pad, and then wiped off any excess with a rag. It was a yearly application for the driven car. When the car was finely painted, I had no paint adhesion issues in the small seams.
John
I sold them new as a Peugeot Dealer in the early 1970's, and worked for Peugeot as a Sales Representative in the late 1970's.
I do not remember them coming with the Atom 440 pedal. That was a pedal designed for casual riding with a Vans type sole. The PX10 was a race model with sew up wheels...
I like the new parts added to your project. They take it to the next level.
BUT......Arnold, Schwinn would never have allowed those wheels out of the factory. They would have been rejected back to the wheel department.
Your wheels are laced one spoke off! The spokes should be parallel on...
@WillWork4Parts @SirMike1983 @Xlobsterman @DrRumack80 @Freqman1 @AS-1
Thank you all for your spirited detailed ideas and suggestions. It points out that many of you feel the importance for this project to be completed. It is much appreciated, and your expertise in these areas are needed so...
Another guess would be that the word BICYCLE might have been printed in red ink and has completely faded over the years from light. I have a "color" 8 x 10 photo of my family on a Paramount Tandem and a bicycle trailer from around 1971 that has been exposed to sun light and the colors are gone...
It's clear to me that this project is not possible on an open forum. The same negative posters come up every time "anything is discussed". They just want to argue, not contribute. They choose to be part of the problem, NOT part of the solution.
With all of this bickering, why would any of...
I have not heard of or seen this bike before. The back Storey sounds very plausible to me. In 1971 Steve had a Fastback "with a Kelsey Hayes disc brake, but I had a 1971 Paramount Tandem "with a Kelsey Hayes disc brake." I chucked the disc brake hub up in a lathe and saved the mounting...
Looks to me like someone is disputing the frame size of your bike. The Schwinn Paramount Frames are measured from the center of the bottom bracket (spindle) to the top of the seat lug. It is not measured like a European bike to the center of the top tube. The seat pin (seat post) has nothing...
Very nice "original" collection.
In California they would want to charge you $164 per car, per year, to keep them registered while stored in your own garage. At least that's what I just paid for my new 1957 Ranch Wagon license registration. It's much cheaper to collect bikes. LOL
John
Thank you for the posting.
I'm glad that you mentioned how far the stem was inserted into the steerer tube. Clearly the stem was adjusted "too high" and not supported by the fork steerer, and the unsupported stem flexed until it broke, in just 55 years of use. I guess the thing we should...
Not hard to get your bike back on the road with some available parts. Just use a normal #64 retainer, which is the same size. Or pop a couple of new balls into your existing retainer to make it useable. The metal ball retainer serves no purpose when the retainer is in actual use. Ride it...
I do not remember Placentia Schwinn Cyclery at that Chapman address, maybe before I moved back to So. Cal.?
The Placentia Schwinn Cyclery I remember was located in a small strip center on Placentia Ave. It was owned by Bill Cordes and run by Bill and his son. Their business was tied closely...
The Bean Son and Company was the Schwinn independent distributor in Northern California all the way to the end of that distribution period and replaced by the Schwinn Sales Companies (SSW). If you bought a new Schwinn anywhere in the Central Valley, Bay Area, Sacramento, Reno Basin, you...
I been a Unica Nitor Plastic rider since the 1960's, never met a Brooks that liked me.
When I got old, I moved up to a "leather padded" Unica.
As a Trackie, I always thought dragging a Brooks Pro around was extra weight.
As a motorcycle rider, I can assure you that no matter how big the...
It's not unusual to see a Chrome Paramount with decals missing. The water slide decals did not adhere very well to the smooth chrome plating. The bike likely had red pin stripping if it was chrome plated when it was originally built. The factory offered existing Paramount owners a refinish...
It's my opinion that the reason there was so many different, and unique lighted Schwinn signs and clocks was because they were mostly manufactured and shipped Regionally. They have always been hard to ship without damage. For example, we had a "special pre-order period" for a Schwinn Cycling...
Very cool item, Marty. Just think that even with that mask, just how much hand taping work was required to "two tone" a frame. We are talking about Production Models that were produced by the thousands every day. Not hand built Paramount's. My hats off to the Paint Department.
John
Leon, You have so much to share with this hobby, but you go off on tangents.
The History of Schwinn Bicycle Company should be available for all interested to see, to read, and to make up their own opinions. My opinion, and yours does not change anything to the history. The actual history is...
I count 36 spokes on the rear wheel. I agree that the rim will be plenty strong. But the way I read it; I think he was asking if the rim was age appropriate for the age of the bike? IMO, the rear rim is much newer (like 1960-70's). It could have had a wood rim, or a steel clad wood rim.
John
That's an interesting letter. I see several things that make me ask questions. It looks like an information sheet that was sent out to consumers that might have contacted the Schwinn Bicycle Company looking for vintage parts. That is not the type of letter that the Schwinn Consumer Relations...
Leon, just to help out your detailed memory.
The Schwinn Shop in Bakersfield you visited was Vincent's. It was owned by Vince Clareu (sp?) and yes he helped set up the 108 MPH speed record attempt on the then new Highway 99 south of Bakersfield. Vince started out selling newspapers on the...
Manufacturing accountants refer to what you are talking about as W.I.P. It's Work IN PROGRESS. It's the cost of the parts inventory, and the lead time the parts needed to be ordered, or built, in order to keep a large assembly factory running at a smooth speed. You can bet that one of the...
Agree! The taper in the hub wears, the clutch sticks into the worn taper and the noise is caused when the clutch finally releases. Save your NOS hub shell, search for some new old stock spokes and do the job as you started. Just a suggestion.
John
The stamped serial number on production built bikes had almost no meaning to Schwinn, excluding Paramount frames (all custom built) numbers which were tracked. They did not track normal production frames. Only the date of manufacture four digit number which was stamped on the name plate and...
Keep in mind that the bike in question might not have been directly ordered and shipped to any Schwinn Dealer. If it was a Jobber/Sales Company warehouse bike, it could have sat in their warehouse inventory for six months BEFORE it was purchased by a dealer and shipped to the Schwinn Dealer...
Pretty accurate summation for an old guy. LOL
All I would add is that you need to include the different branches of the Schwinn Family Trust. The only working and contributing members were from Edward "Eddy" Schwinn's branch (Edward JR., and Richard Schwinn) and for better or worse, they...
Yup, that's it.
But you might find some nicer pedals? As a rule of thumb, Girls/Ladies bikes have some nice parts and are not in high demand.
Good luck, John
Sorry, no photos from this old guy.
Schwinn did not make pedals, they would have been from Torrington, or later from Union. They may have the actual brand name or the Schwinn Approved name stamped on the dust caps. They do not look like the A.S. Phantom pedals. Be patient, you will find some...
I think you have received some good advice already. I would add that the Continental tires are not correct. If you can find some 24 x 2.125 Typhoons that would work. The pedals you want to source are 1/2" rubber junior width pedals (no reflector), we commonly called them ladies pedals because...
I have never seen, never worked on, never heard anything about these two Schwinn bikes.
The first derailer bike we ever had for sale in our store was a 26" wheel, Sky Blue "conventional" 8 speed Varsity with the suicide shifter.
John
Good point. I do remember times (in Arizona) when we had to pay a tax on all of our actual inventory, and my dad would curtail his ordering for several months to run down the total inventory valuation amount to reduce his tax owed.
John
GT, Let me say first that this may not answer your question, but you and others have asked so many questions it's hard to keep track, sorry.
Schwinn Bicycle Company had what they called Drop Ship orders and also Pool Car Orders that came directly from Chicago to the Dealer(s). These orders did...
Paramounts were a different animal all together. They were built one at a time, everyone was a custom build, a bike that a dealer had custom ordered, it was usually "already sold to a retail customer". Having a simplified way of tracking the order from credit approval to the paperwork design...
Schwinn produced an ad mat catalog for dealers to use. The dealer could use the clip art of any bicycle he wanted to advertise in his area. As long as the dealer's advertising met Schwinn's requirements (basically the federal "truth in advertising" laws) his ad qualified for a 50% Schwinn Co-op...
1st you have read wrong information, maybe just more internet hearsay?
Contrary of what we may think of today, having a new model year was not a big deal. The reason Schwinn offered new models/colors was just another way to keep the demand on the dealers to buy more inventory. In effect "keep...
And the fact that small specialty paint companies like One Shot continue to get bought out by the big paint companies. It's my understanding that PPG now owns the One Shot Brand. The cost of paint is mostly driven by the color pigments. Not much petroleum in a 1/2 pint can of paint.
John
The hourly rate sounds right to me. The labor time is way off. I would agree with others, that it's maybe a two hour (start to finish) job for an experienced pro painter.
BUT.........have any of you looked at the new pricing on One Shot Paint? I received my new Summit Racing catalog...
Same experience with Gibbs! Drove a "bare steel" High Boy for years. Wiped it on with a Scotch Bright pad, and then wiped off any excess with a rag. It was a yearly application for the driven car. When the car was finely painted, I had no paint adhesion issues in the small seams.
John
I sold them new as a Peugeot Dealer in the early 1970's, and worked for Peugeot as a Sales Representative in the late 1970's.
I do not remember them coming with the Atom 440 pedal. That was a pedal designed for casual riding with a Vans type sole. The PX10 was a race model with sew up wheels...
I like the new parts added to your project. They take it to the next level.
BUT......Arnold, Schwinn would never have allowed those wheels out of the factory. They would have been rejected back to the wheel department.
Your wheels are laced one spoke off! The spokes should be parallel on...
@WillWork4Parts @SirMike1983 @Xlobsterman @DrRumack80 @Freqman1 @AS-1
Thank you all for your spirited detailed ideas and suggestions. It points out that many of you feel the importance for this project to be completed. It is much appreciated, and your expertise in these areas are needed so...
Another guess would be that the word BICYCLE might have been printed in red ink and has completely faded over the years from light. I have a "color" 8 x 10 photo of my family on a Paramount Tandem and a bicycle trailer from around 1971 that has been exposed to sun light and the colors are gone...
It's clear to me that this project is not possible on an open forum. The same negative posters come up every time "anything is discussed". They just want to argue, not contribute. They choose to be part of the problem, NOT part of the solution.
With all of this bickering, why would any of...
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