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    Help ID'ing frame

    ... You would have everything for a Huffman except the frame... This frame is a Colson.
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    PreWar CWC? Tank

    In answer to the question mark in the title, this tank will physically fit any prewar or postwar CWC 3-Gill frame but the large holes at the back of the tank are there to accept a double-ended, threaded coupler and show that the tank is a postwar version and not period correct production for a...
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    1937 Roadmaster Aero Flyer

    +1 Another case of Old-Timer Eye, they are not period correct to the actual year of the bike and the reflectors pull the eye away from the rest of the bike (which is awesome!)
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    Are these Murray Mark 3 handlebars?

    The bend/shape is similar between the bars on your Hex and the Mark 3 bars, but the Mark 3's extend much further forward before looping back.
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    Making progress;1937 elgin

    This bike is a Westfield built Elgin. Excepting the Westfield built curved seat mast Orioles, Westfield was not a strong purveyor of “Rainbow” pattern frames but they did build them and there is actually at least one more that has come to the surface recently on this site (Nickinator has/had one...
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    Mistery frame, what is it???

    Boy's version of this bike: http://thecabe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?33125-Rare-1949-3-bar-rollfast-womans-bike
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    Huffman serial number project

    Delta Guardlite http://thecabe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?47576-NOS-Delta-Guard-tail-light-RARE!!!&p=273567#post273567 And, it its interesting that the matching paint headlight has the Western Flyer insignia on the sides.
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    The Preservationistas

    I'll leave it to the group members to cross the waters and spread the Preservationista Doctrine.
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    The Preservationistas

    Family Heirloom: http://www.ratrodbikes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=78171
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    Please help me ID this ballooner, for a widow

    It is a Cleveland Welding built, 1941/42 Hawthorne All American.
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    need help with my elgin-id and year

    The bike in this thread is a Westfield built Elgin and a rare variant. it was never pictured in the full consumer catalogs. I believe Nickinator turned up one of these frames recently. The bike pictured in the above cut is a Murray-Ohio built bike and not the same (note the MO wishbone stay...
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    Need help on 1939 WH Comet Please!

    First of all this bike is the Snyder built version of the MW Hawthorne Comet. A very similar version of the Comet was built by CWC but the frame and many of the sheet metal parts are either proprietary to the frame manufacturer or modified to work on one bike or the other. The rack is a case in...
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    The Preservationistas

    Here you go Dave, mystery solved! Ratthread: http://www.ratrodbikes.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=77833&p=754233&hilit=MONARCH#p754233 Bike on Photobucket: http://s855.photobucket.com/user/allen-sanborn/media/010.jpg.html
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    what is this

    It is an early (circa 1946) Murray-Ohio built frame; possibly started life as a JCH. The badge was added to it.
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    Cleveland Welding S/N Project...See Page 58 Post 576 for chart

    This bike is a Colson rather than a CWC product. The serial number suggests it is from 1939
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    ?? Creating bicycles from scratch

    Well Dave, you didn’t completely swallow your foot on this one but at your age you should be careful when you get it so close to your face. It might get stuck in that position! I wouldn’t dive in here except that having been “quoted” I will give my take on a couple of my definitions. In...
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    any id info

    This bike does look like it uses the C-Model frame and I think the first character in the serial number may be a "Z" rather than a "7". That would put the number in line with the typical Schwinn serial number patterns for that period and would suggest the frame is probably circa 1938.
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    Can anyone Please Tell me what kind of Bicycle this is?

    That light was still used for a while after the war.
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    Who manufactured this Elgin?

    Hey Bri, I was coming out of the bottle anyway… you didn’t need to give yourself a rug burn rubbing so hard! This very bike is shown as the Elgin Swallow in the Spring/Summer 1935 Sear catalog. The frame is the standard lady’s model produced by H.P. Snyder at that time but in the catalog...
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    Can anyone Please Tell me what kind of Bicycle this is?

    Greg, if you take a picture of the badge that should be enough to identify the manufacturer...as long as it hasn't been changed out over time. The form of the bike looks clearly Snyder but closer, clearer, larger pictures will help certify that call. As for dating the bike; there should be a...
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    Can anyone Please Tell me what kind of Bicycle this is?

    NEARLY!!!, Bri, I should send you back to the stacks for that one... and no computer for a WEEK!
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    Can anyone Please Tell me what kind of Bicycle this is?

    It is not a Shelby, it is an H.P. Snyder built bicycle and the badge looks like it may be a Rollfast badge (one of the many badges that Snyder bikes were sold under.) Better pictures would help with an assessment of what you might do with the bike to best preserve, rehab, or restore it.
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    30's Elgin Moto-Balloon "PART OUT"

    This is probably a good time to mention that this is one of the rarest variations of the Sears/Elgin Moto-Balloon, something no one seems to have caught (or perhaps just mentioned) when the bike first surfaced. This is not the common Westfield version. Note the unusual lugged construction of the...
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    Want to digitally scan Iver Johnson fork

    Observation/Question I would imagine the fork was originally forged from spring steel rather than machined into existence. That noted, the fork mounted on the bicycle looks a bit different than the one photographed on the table. The mounted fork has radii and transformations from one...
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    whas is this frame

    The fish-mouth reinforcements at the ends of the lower top tube are identical to those used on late Emblem Manufacturing built Moto-frames.
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    Western Flyer Tank

    Too easy! http://www.ebay.com/itm/310743216415?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2648
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    What defines a No-Nose?

    There you have it, not original to this bike. Still the bike may have originally had a multi-plate crowned fork...or maybe not.
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    What defines a No-Nose?

    This bike has been up in several threads. I mentioned elsewhere that I would not discount the fork as original to this bike. I have collected several pictures of Shelby’s in original paint fitted with matching multi-plate crowned forks (Scrubbinrim’s Shelby Supreme for example). While the rust...
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    Early postwar Columbia built Higgins question???

    Dave, I hope that Vince thing isn’t getting in the way keeping up with your bike homework! It is still interesting that this bike has unique rear toe plates, perhaps even more so if the frame dates to 1948 when Westfield generally switched to a “drop-out” design. Someone may have a...
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    What defines a No-Nose?

    The bike in this thread is a prewar Shelby. There is a lot of confusion amongst collectors today about these bikes but I believe the easiest understanding comes from recognizing that Shelby produced two separate prewar full size (26”) boy’s frame lines or “families”. From 1935 to...
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    Early postwar Columbia built Higgins question???

    Dave, the ghost and the holes on your rear fender remind me of a Delta Defender tail light. If that is what was mounted there then I believe it was an aftermarket addition as the defender was well past it’s pull date by that time, but could have been purchased, aftermarket from a bike shop that...
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    I see a princess in this frog

    "N" is also the Westfield serial number designation for 1935, which fits with the pieces that are present.
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    Come'on Cabe Babes...save this pretty CWC girl!

    This bike is a postwar Roadmaster, likely from 1948. Many sellers do not know to list the serial number suffix, which is necessary to pin down the date on postwar models
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    Picked up this 1939 Schwinn a while ago

    I’ll add a question here for the Schwinn-siders. What gives with Schwinn seat binder configurations? I’m aware that the early 1935 double diamond frames used a large welded on seat clamp and that later in 1935, a smaller clamp replaced the first design. That second clamp design was...
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    Birthday Bike wish list data base

    The general assumption these days for postwar Schwinns’ is that the serial numbers were stamped into blank crank hangers or later onto blank dropouts or head tubes. These loose parts were then placed in bins and were picked at random by assemblers in the jigging/welding dept. (This...
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    Birthday Bike wish list data base

    No Dave, I think the gestation period for a Schwinn is similar to that of a rat...about three weeks. But since the recorded date everyone turns to to date a Schwinn is more likely the conception date for the bicycle, we might all start looking for Schwinn that we share a conception date with...
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    Birthday Bike wish list data base

    Indeed! There has been hot debate about what the post 1947 recorded Schwinn serial number dates actually signify. I suppose it is a semantic debate whether life for a bike starts the day a bottom bracket is stamped or the number is recorded or if it begins later when the frame is created, or...
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    Very Rare 1938' Zep bike on ebay!

    I'd say the CWC version is more desirable but I think it probably comes down to which manufacturer you generally favor. As the design is to a CWC model and some of the parts came from CWC independent of who built the frame. you could chose CWC over Snyder, but you could also choose the...
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    Very Rare 1938' Zep bike on ebay!

    I could take the high road and share with you why this bike is a Snyder Zep and not the CWC built version you erroneously believe it to be but you'll have to educate yourself as your cowardly and hideous little PM left me clearly of the opinion that some people aren't worth the skin they've been...
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    Original Roadmaster Value ???

    Speaking of just of the second series design produced from 1950 through early 1954; an individual buyer might favor a pre AMF 1950 LL over the 1951-1953 version but I don’t think there is any established hierarchy regarding fair market price for Luxury Liners based solely on the pre or post AMF...
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    Original Roadmaster Value ???

    Any 1950's Roadmaster built after April 2, 1951 is an AMF bike.
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    1938 Roadmaster girls bike OG paint

    Yes, this is an early postwar bike from 1945 or 1946.
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    Parts and info needed for my girl

    Serial number ? MOS-K MOD-502 216 xxxxx This is a second series post-war Murray-Ohio built Elgin. They were sold in 1946 in this configuration and as Elgins before Sears re-branded their bike line as J. C. Higgins. You need a front fender and wheel but probably not a...
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    Springer fork invention?

    The patent for Schwinn's springer fork was filed on March 3, 1938. The fork was available on 1938 Schwinn bicycles (and perhaps in late 1937?). The patent for the CWC Shockmaste fork was filed less than two months later on April 27, 1938. CWC did not mention the Shockmaster in the 1938...
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    Cleveland Bicycle

    Your Father's bicycle was manufactured by the Cleveland Welding Company in 1941. A few things have been changed over the years including the chain ring and drive train which would have originally been a "skip-tooth" 1" pitch system.
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    Pre War Roadmaster

    The rear toe plates on this frame were used between 1950 and 1954. The serial number will pin the date down further.
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    Twin-Formation: Elgin Twinbar Details

    It is a Murray Frame. Murray built frames came with at least two different dropout patterns; those for drop stands with integral hanger mounting holes and those for kickstands, this is obviously a kickstand version. the other thing to look at is the mounting holes for a rack or the lack of those...
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    Dig these crazy drop-outs! Overseas Dayton???

    Ok, I'll give a qualified no as an answer to your question because on the surface I don't believe you can work backwards from the dropouts alone to determine the exact model/specification of the original bike. I'll try to write up a more complete answer and post it back to the Twinformation...
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    Dig these crazy drop-outs! Overseas Dayton???

    My thread/post list will only take me back 20 pages...which is after the date you mention. If you bump the post you are interested in or post a link I'll check it out.
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    Dig these crazy drop-outs! Overseas Dayton???

    No, actually, my PM box has been closed for a year or more.
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