1896? Victor

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oldmtrcyc

Finally riding a big boys bike
Apr 23, 2012
349
Pacific NW
I bought this about a year ago. I am now getting ready to work on it a bit. I think it is about 1896?. Serial number is 95799. The front rim is solid, but as curved as a potato chip. The tire still holds air. Back rim is a bit wavy, but workable. Anyone ever have luck either steaming a rim and pressing it at the same time? I also would like the redo the seat. Any good pictures of an original, and what material to use?
 
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pelletman

I live for the CABE
Mar 15, 2008
1,096
Massachusetts, United States
You can use 0000 steel or bronze wool and a brass wire brush to help you with cleaning. I like Waxoyl for coating an original bike
 
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locomotion

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jan 15, 2011
2,722
QC
I have the exact same bicycle and when I say exact, every features are the same down to the old cork grips. Only difference I can see are the pedals and the badge.
Mine is badge as a VICTORIA. Is yours really badge a VICTOR? I would expect a ladies bike badged as a Victoria. Maybe a replaced badged on your bike!
My bike has the old style Victoria rounded badge, and the oldest patent date on it is 1893.
Did you ever remove your badge, maybe there is another badge shadow under it.
My serial is only 4 digits. 3500

As far as the seat, I would expect something like this ...
1261510


1261511


1261509


1261512
 
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oldmtrcyc

Finally riding a big boys bike
Apr 23, 2012
349
Pacific NW
I have the exact same bicycle and when I say exact, every features are the same down to the old cork grips. Only difference I can see are the pedals and the badge.
Mine is badge as a VICTORIA. Is yours really badge a VICTOR? I would expect a ladies bike badged as a Victoria. Maybe a replaced badged on your bike!
My bike has the old style Victoria rounded badge, and the oldest patent date on it is 1893.
Did you ever remove your badge, maybe there is another badge shadow under it.
My serial is only 4 digits. 3500
My badge says Victor. Been on there always, or so it looks. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Victoria badge came out until late 1890's. I'll post the serial number and a better pic of badge.
 
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locomotion

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jan 15, 2011
2,722
QC
My badge says Victor. Been on there always, or so it looks. I could be wrong, but I don't think the Victoria badge came out until late 1890's. I'll post the serial number and a better pic of badge.
The badge on my bike says Victoria and the latest patent date on the badge is 1893.
 

oldmtrcyc

Finally riding a big boys bike
Apr 23, 2012
349
Pacific NW
My orig post erroneously had the wrong serial number. It is Serial no. 3154.
1265921


1265920


1265922
 
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oldmtrcyc

Finally riding a big boys bike
Apr 23, 2012
349
Pacific NW
I have the exact same bicycle and when I say exact, every features are the same down to the old cork grips. Only difference I can see are the pedals and the badge.
Mine is badge as a VICTORIA. Is yours really badge a VICTOR? I would expect a ladies bike badged as a Victoria. Maybe a replaced badged on your bike!
My bike has the old style Victoria rounded badge, and the oldest patent date on it is 1893.
Did you ever remove your badge, maybe there is another badge shadow under it.
My serial is only 4 digits. 3500
Interesting. Your badge is the earlier style than mine, but your serial number is 346 later than mine. I can't see evidence of the badge being removed but it is possible! I looked at the four tiny screws holding it on and am hesitant to booger them up to take a look!
 
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locomotion

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jan 15, 2011
2,722
QC
Your badge sure looks like it's been on the bike since new.
Who knows what happened at the factory in 1894!
Maybe it was a badge transition period and they just used whatever they had on hand.
Pretty cool to locale two identical bikes from the 1800's with serial numbers so close together.

What will you do with your bike? Restore?

I have seemed and pressed wood rims in the past with pretty good success. Won't make it perfect and rideable, but it will look good for display.
 
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oldmtrcyc

Finally riding a big boys bike
Apr 23, 2012
349
Pacific NW
I won't restore it. I would like to get it rideable, or at least presentable. The wheels and seat look bad! I am going to try soaking the rim and then pressing it flat. Anyone ever try? Or other thoughts? I do have some decent wood trims, but getting the nipples off the spokes is worrisome.
 

ejlwheels

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Sep 7, 2006
674
Minneapolis, United States
I have yet to verify, but I think the "flag" badge begins in 1896.
1894 and 1895 catalogs and details are nearly identical.
I would speculate that the serial numbers started again at zero for 1896
and that the factory would have been able to tell them apart by the badge and possibly other small changes.
 

David Brown

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Dec 14, 2014
551
Kitchener, Canada
For getting the nipples off the spokes use an electric soldering iron. just touch the nipple and heat up then try and loosen . Have done it many times. As for the rims either steam them or what i did was lay the rim on a piece of plywood and cover the rim with towels and pour boiling water over the towels and lots of it . Then clamp the rim down and leave it fo a few weeks . The finger joint might come apart but can be glued back together.
 
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oldmtrcyc

Finally riding a big boys bike
Apr 23, 2012
349
Pacific NW
I would speculate that the serial numbers started again at zero for 1896
and that the factory would have been able to tell them apart by the badge and possibly other small changes.
Boy, I don't know about that. I have not seen that with Victor bikes.
 

ejlwheels

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Sep 7, 2006
674
Minneapolis, United States
If 1894 was the peak year for demand (and presumably production)

and during the peak Overman produced 80,000 bicycles per year (some branded as Spaulding)

then it is hard to imagine how a frame made anywhere from 1894 to 1896
(anytime after the first 9,999 units; it seems likely that they made 9,999 units prior to 1894--assuming for now that they started at zero with the first safety frame)
could be stamped with a 4 digit serial number, without restarting the sequence or using some method
such an additional letter code or some identifiable design feature on the frame.
 
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