1918 DAYTON Military Bicycle

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  1. #41 Posted Mar 5, 2017

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  2. #42 Posted Sep 24, 2017

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    Article courtesy of Scott Mc. Thank you - Scott !!

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  3. #43 Posted Sep 24, 2017

    Wore out three sets of tires already!

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    WOW that is an amazing picture/reference! thanks for sharing.
     
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  4. #44 Posted Sep 25, 2017

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    Hi All,

    Please excuse my asking this on a Dayton thread. As some of you may know I'm working on a Columbia Military Model at the moment. The subject of tires is a bit of a problem for me, and that excellent Dayton ad. has raised the question again, showing what appears to be white tires.

    I'm aware that the wheels/tyres on 'surplus' Columbias as advertised for sale to the public are not necessarily the same as those fitted to the 'in service' bike.

    As an example, here is the advert for the immediate post war Columbia built up with surplus parts (Credit Mr Columbia's site):

    http://www.vintagecolumbiabikes.com...AtWar/1920MilitaryModel.jpg&target=tlx_picler

    It appears to show the Vitalic tire tread, and states in the ad; that Vitalic De Luxe or Fisk Cord are the tire options on Steel Cement rims.

    The rear rim (below) on my 1917 bike appears to be original (it still has the Morrow hub etc), but appears to be a 'Clincher' type rather than 'Steel Cement'. This leads me to think that not all of the options seen in post war advertising are correct for wartime bikes.

    Photo A200.jpg

    So, (bearing in mind I am still a beginner at this!),

    Is the above Clincher rim for a tire with separate tube, or a single tube tire?

    Were Vitalic treads available in both of these options?

    Did wartime bikes have black or white tires (the ones in the Davis ad; look white)?

    I'm getting to the point of buying the tires, so I'd like to be correct if possible.

    Thanks for the help.

    Best Regards,

    Adrian
     
  5. #45 Posted Sep 28, 2017

    Wore out three sets of tires already!

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    The rim is a clincher and it takes a single tube.
    Vitalic came in white. And different tread colors. Red/blue. I have only ever seen a colored vitalic set once. White is the most common. I struggle to ever use the word "common" when talking vitalic. They are a rare find. Good luck IMG_1833.JPG The bottom picture is the clinch version.
     
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  6. #46 Posted Sep 28, 2017

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    Hi Goldenindian,

    thanks for the comprehensive reply. The tyre that came off it was a very early and disintegrating black single tube made by Dunlop in France,

    OK, so it looks like I'll have to spend some time getting something near original, which means (since I want to use the bike) two wheel sets, something practical, and (hopefully eventually ((Hope costs nothing)) something real. That's helped with that decision. Now to find a suitable wheelset with white tyres...

    Have a Good Weekend,

    Adrian
     
  7. #47 Posted Dec 31, 2017

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    Fork Bracket on this Military Model
    Neverout Lamp is positioned on the
    wrong side of this lamp. The lamp
    itself and the bracket are manufac-
    tured of very-high grade unobtainium.

    neverout lamp.jpg



    the-neverout-kerosene-lamp-made-for-u-s-military_2.jpg

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  8. #48 Posted Jan 1, 2018

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    Thanks for the information, Hoofhearted. (-:

    Now I have another bit to find (and I have a very nice Solar mounted on it at the moment!)

    Happy New Year.

    Adrian
     
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  9. #49 Posted Jan 1, 2018

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    For reference only , from a friend's collection.... NOT FOR SALE


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  10. #50 Posted Jan 2, 2018

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    radar imageYIB0UK4D nov 29, 1917 for 1918.jpg
     
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    Hi All,

    Following up the Neverout lamp discussion, I came across this catalogue page detailing the different types and brackets to go with them.

    Interesting that the 'Bicycle' light was supplied with both brackets (types 3 and 4) to fit to the fork and the head tube, and that the Military clamp (type 66) is actually for a Motorcycle. This could be easily mistaken for the type 46 carriage dash bracket.

    Best Regards,

    Adrian.

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  15. #55 Posted Jan 21, 2018 at 1:18 AM

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    Hi All,

    I'm here to ask for a favour. (-:

    I've bought a 'Neverout' lamp and clamp for my 1917 'Military Model' Columbia from the US, but can only get it shipped to addresses in the US. Would anyone be willing to receive it, and send it on to me in France? I would pay the postage by Paypal.

    Thank you for your consideration.

    Best Regards,

    Adrian
     
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  16. #56 Posted Jan 21, 2018 at 5:20 AM

    Saint Lactose The Tolerant

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    Adrian ..... I can help.

    Am contacting you off the line, thru CABE PM ...
    with my Ohio address.

    Don't worry about the Paypal stuff -- hoo nose ...
    I may need a small favor in return one day.

    ..... patric
     
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  17. #57 Posted Jan 21, 2018 at 7:28 AM

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    Hi Patric,

    Thank you for your kind offer. I have sent a PM with further details.

    Best Regards,

    Adrian