1939-1941 CWC Four Gills

Discussion in 'Classic Balloon Tire Bicycles 1933-1965' started by Freqman1, May 16, 2018.

  1. #1 Posted May 16, 2018

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    Bob Charnley started a thread https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/cleveland-welding-4-gill-bikes.27308/#post-146457 back in 2012 on Four Gills in general. I would like to focus this thread strictly on the '39-41 RMS/Model A aka Four Gill bikes. If you don't know what a Four Gill is, think it is a variety of fish, or think any CWC tank bike might be a Four Gill then please contact me before posting so we can keep this one on track.

    If you have additional 1937 RMS info please post here https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/1937-roadmaster-supreme-bug-eye.57458/

    If you have additional 1938 RMS info please post here https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/1938-y-frame-road-master-supreme-info.35915/

    The prewar Cleveland Welding Company Roadmaster Supremes are surprisingly uncommon. The '37 "Bug Eye" and '38 RMS both feature the exotic "Y" frame as well as curved cranks. For 1939 CWC retained the "Four Gill" or "Scimitar" tank introduced on the '38 model but with a more conventional frame and standard straight crank. For 1940 CWC dropped the RMS designation and called the top-of-the-line model the "Model A". The '39 model can be distinguished visually by the fender mount light(s) whereas the '40/41 models had a ball light mount on the fork crown.

    So the goal here is to document the '39-41 bikes. I'll start with the ones I know of and past or current owners can chime in with any additional information. I'm pretty sure some of these projects are now restored so if you have serial numbers this will prevent duplication. Thanks, Shawn

    First up former 1939 RMS Mark P. bike badged as a Western Flyer. Notice the different rack and dual Persons Reflecto lights. All of these I have seen have been in the rust/cream color combo.
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    Next another 1939. I'm not sure who owns this bike but looks like a @prewarbikes4sale photo. I question the light arrangement on this bike.
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    Next a nice original '39 formerly owned by @saladshooter
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    I believe this '39 project may have been restored by Mark W. and is now owned by @auto1cycle2 and is blue and white.
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    This restored '39 WF I believe is currently owned by @whizzer kid
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    This restored '39 I believe owned by @Rambler
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    Not shown is a Ted Lusher restored blue/white '39 possibly still owned by @fordsnake

    Restored '40/41 owned by me-- @Freqman1 Has a "H" serial which was late '40/early '41
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    A nicely done custom paint '40/41 owned by @Howard Gordon
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    This Packard badged '41 on Nostalgic.net
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    This '40/41 project @fatbike ? Would like to know if this bike was ever restored
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    This nice original '40 owned by @JAF/CO
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  2. #2 Posted May 16, 2018

    Riding a '37 Dayton Super Streamline

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    I know @Kstone has one to add! I can't wait to see it posted here. V/r Shawn
     
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    Since there are a couple Western Flyer badged 4-gills in this list, ok if I post the original catalog page?
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    Not mine, but "borrowed" off the interwebs for the Cabe.
     
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    Mike,

    That WF catalog scan is amazing!
     
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    Any info relating to the '39-41 Four Gill bikes is welcomed. V/r Shawn
     
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    Wore out three sets of tires already!

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    #5 has moved west.

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    Wore out three sets of tires already!

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    Bob,
    post #1 already has a picture of the restored WF four gill.

    The other, although a four gill tank, is the 38 Supreme "Y" frame which has a dedicated thread. Link above on post #1

    I believe Shawn wanted to start this thread to document the known 39-41 four gill bikes.

    The bare metal WF four gill belongs to Jeff Guyer.
     
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    This is one that I have a picture of. I don't know who owns this bike though. This brings the count to 14
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    I think the four gill tanks started out by mistake. The guy who was stamping the gills into the three gill tanks, goofed up and added a fourth one by mistake.... And to cover it up he just kept making them that way......
     
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    Wore out three sets of tires already!

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    So do you own this one Bob? Is it a different bike from any already posted? V/r Shawn
     
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    Wore out three sets of tires already!

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    Oh, ok, I'll stop posting pictures then.

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    I live for the CABE

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    These are cool bikes, thanks to all for the education.
     
  16. #16 Posted May 16, 2018

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    Post away Bob. Just trying to document the 39-41

    The 38 supreme is a different animal in my opinion.

    Bob's post brings it to 15
     
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    I know a non caber that has at least four. He might even have more than that.
     
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    There are a lot of old school people that don't use the internet.
     
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    I think many of us forget that. There are probably 3x the amount of bikes out there that most Cabe members have never even heard of.