1939 Westfield built Victory Bicycles D98 with 3-speed

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3-speeder

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 26, 2017
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Lansing, MI, United States
#1
Picked up this 1939 Men's Sports Tourist. It has to be my coolest bike now. It has a Phillips Superior rear hub, looks double-sided. The saddle has 1939 stamped into the metal on the underside rear. Torrington model 7 pedals. 21" frame. Not too bad of condition considering it's age. The repaint isn't too bad except for that the headbadge is missing. Not familiar with these so what do you think looks original, and what's not.
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juvela

Finally riding a big boys bike
Aug 2, 2014
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Playa del Rey, United States
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Thanks very much for sharing this wonderful find! ;)

You wrote -

"The saddle has 1939 stamped into the metal on the underside rear."

This portion of the saddle frame is termed the cantle.

The D/S hub is an excellent feature. Sometimes referred to as a "training hub."

Are you able to read a maker's name on the gear block body? Cyclo perhaps?

Your usual outstanding job with the photo documentation. :D

http://www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/Rota_derailleurs.html
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3-speeder

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 26, 2017
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Lansing, MI, United States
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Thanks for the link, great info. Spot on as always. Found no markings on the gear block yet. Will get photos up with any new findings during rejuvenation process.
 

juvela

Finally riding a big boys bike
Aug 2, 2014
390
455
Playa del Rey, United States
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Lettuce know if you should discover any markings on stem/bar.

Bars sometimes bear markings on the end, beneath the handgrip.

Grips somewhat reminiscent of Dare.

Take your time and have lots of good fun with this... :wink:

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juvela

Finally riding a big boys bike
Aug 2, 2014
390
455
Playa del Rey, United States
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Saddle -

Surprised it has no maker's mark on the side in the area of the two small lacing holes.

The shape and placement of the integral bag loops may narrow the possibilities.

It might help the experts if you could make an image showing the underside of the nose.

We need to hear from Rudy - @rhm - on this.

He will likely I.D. it in a jiffy.

Thinking "Wrights" for some reason...but probably wrong as usual. :blush:

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History/Usage -

The presence of the newspaper rack suggests it was employed by a young man for his delivery route when in its early life.

Suspect tyres may be OEM. Given their tread we are not talking "high mileage" here...

Guessing it has enjoyed snoozing in indoor storage for over seventy years.

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One of the latest images shows a bit of the gear block's face plate...but alas, not eno' for any reading.

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juvela

Finally riding a big boys bike
Aug 2, 2014
390
455
Playa del Rey, United States
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Thank you!

Had not dawned on me dull braine that she might be a four-wire. :flushed:

Should greatly narrow the possibilities...

btw - you might have a go at removing some of the ferrous oxide deposition on the front of the clip to divine if there be a marking abiding thither...

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rhm

'Lil Knee Scuffer
Mar 1, 2015
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It is a Person's Saddle, made in Worcester MA. The stamp on the side, sadly not preserved, is an elaborate design with two lions supporting a shield. There was probably a stamped badge on the back at one point, rather fragile openwork spelling out the word PERSONS. Some little bits of it are sometimes preserved, like part of the S.

The nose hardware is very similar to Brooks, but the cantle plate is a different shape, and the way the rails is attached is also pretty different. If we want to be pedantic about it, there are only two wires.

Thanks, Juvela, for alerting me to this. I rarely check in with The Cabe, I know, I know. --Rudi
 

3-speeder

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 26, 2017
229
353
Lansing, MI, United States
#12
It is a Person's Saddle, made in Worcester MA. The stamp on the side, sadly not preserved, is an elaborate design with two lions supporting a shield. There was probably a stamped badge on the back at one point, rather fragile openwork spelling out the word PERSONS. Some little bits of it are sometimes preserved, like part of the S.

The nose hardware is very similar to Brooks, but the cantle plate is a different shape, and the way the rails is attached is also pretty different. If we want to be pedantic about it, there are only two wires.

Thanks, Juvela, for alerting me to this. I rarely check in with The Cabe, I know, I know. --Rudi
Thank you for the info. I'm going to take a close look at the sides for any traces of the stamping.
 

slowride

Look Ma, No Hands!
Nov 8, 2017
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Detroit, MI, United States
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Beautiful bike 3-speeder! I notice on both sides of the handlebars near the stem there is what appears to be leather wrap? Can someone explain it's purpose ?
Regards, Steve
 
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3-speeder

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 26, 2017
229
353
Lansing, MI, United States
#16
Beautiful bike 3-speeder! I notice on both sides of the handlebars near the stem there is what appears to be leather wrap? Can someone explain it's purpose ?
Regards, Steve
My theory on the leather wrap is that it was used as a second place to grab the bars? It looks like an old golf club or tennis racket grip held down with a heavy layer of glue.
 
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SirMike1983

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jun 27, 2008
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What I like about this bike is that it's an American-made lightweight/utility type bike set up for extra performance. Somebody was serious about getting a bit more performance out of this bike back in the day, which would have been quite rare at that time. The three-speed set up and the Philco type add-on brakes are great to have, and were well-constructed. The Phillips flip-flop hub is really cool, and another well-made item. Even when bikes were being used for utility purposes during the second war, most were set up for very basic performance - a single speed with a coaster brake or similar. Sometimes you see a Sturmey AW from right before the war being used, which is a nice touch. On this particular bike, someone really put in the extra money for something with a little more "go" behind it. There aren't too many like this around, in large part because there weren't too many like this around back then.
 

3-speeder

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 26, 2017
229
353
Lansing, MI, United States
#18
What I like about this bike is that it's an American-made lightweight/utility type bike set up for extra performance. Somebody was serious about getting a bit more performance out of this bike back in the day, which would have been quite rare at that time. The three-speed set up and the Philco type add-on brakes are great to have, and were well-constructed. The Phillips flip-flop hub is really cool, and another well-made item. Even when bikes were being used for utility purposes during the second war, most were set up for very basic performance - a single speed with a coaster brake or similar. Sometimes you see a Sturmey AW from right before the war being used, which is a nice touch. On this particular bike, someone really put in the extra money for something with a little more "go" behind it. There aren't too many like this around, in large part because there weren't too many like this around back then.
Well said
 

rhm

'Lil Knee Scuffer
Mar 1, 2015
19
16
#19
This is what a well preserved Persons saddle looks like (not mine; photo from the web):

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I have one in reasonably good condition, and two or three that need new leather. I've been working on reproducing the stamp, but (as you can see from the photo above) the stamp involves some complicated artwork.
 

3-speeder

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 26, 2017
229
353
Lansing, MI, United States
#20
This is what a well preserved Persons saddle looks like (not mine; photo from the web):

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I have one in reasonably good condition, and two or three that need new leather. I've been working on reproducing the stamp, but (as you can see from the photo above) the stamp involves some complicated artwork.
Oh wow. That is a nice looking saddle. Yeah, nothing left of a stamp on mine. I double checked.
 

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