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1944 Columbia Compax Military model folding bicycle

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37schwinn

Finally riding a big boys bike
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here are couple projects I'm probably not gonna get to after all.

First is a Columbia Compax Military model with the frame braces for extra strength. These don't come up very often and it is a fun project. Missing: rear fender, seat, chain guard( all easy to find). But here's my question... it was with non-folding handle bars and had on Torrington blackout bars with a Torrington R stem. I have seen other Compax with these bars so perhaps this late in 1944 some of these bikes were just equipped with whatever parts available. WhAt do you think? I was thinking about building it up similar to Mr Columbias example d leave in back of my truck to run out for lunch at work.

Second is yet another Columbia MG project.
 
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Very cool bike Compax. The chain guard for the Compax is different from the standard Columbia chain guard. Different attachment points and the war Era one is shorter then the regular guard. The folding handle bars are getting harder to find. I might have a spare rear fender if you need one. Kenda S6 tires will fit the 26x1.375 rims.

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Hi, 37Schwinn,

the MG Columbia is the earliest 1944 I've yet seen (serial numbers apparently started at MG195136 in 1944. Please could you tell me if the code stamped above the serial is L1, or, if not, what it is? Also, the date code on the rear hub (M3?) would be nice to know if available.

The Compax appears to fit into the serial numbers for July 1943. If you decide that you don't want to build up the Compax, please let me know.

Thanks for your help.

Best Regards,

Adrian
 
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Morrow rear hub code is actually M4 and deep stamping on bottom bracket next to serial number is L1.

I also have a 1942 balloon tire military Compax that is stamped L8.

The balloon tire is complete and has the correct bars with the OD grips. I can swap the bars back and forth for now.
 
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Hi 37schwinn,

Thanks for the additional details on the MG Columbia. L1 would make it early 1944, which fits with the known frame number range, and the M4 stamp on the Morrow hub (last quarter 1943) also fits in well with this. Wheels can obviously be changed easily during the life of a bike, but M3 or M4 is what I'd expect to see on a bike of this date, so is quite possibly original to it.

I like your second Compax G77552A as well, with the folding handlebars and military grips. I don't think it's 1942, though, more likely late 1944, L8 indicating possibly August 1944, and the 'A' serial blocks for 1944 being 5001A to 85244A. Your Compax W149036 is probably the older bike of the two.

Thanks for showing them,

Best Regards,

Adrian
 
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I based the serial number for the balloon Compax starting with the G prefix from mr Columbias list. G77552A would seem to fall into 1942

1936.……A5429 - A266083

1937.……B5000 - B195407

1938.……C5000 - C130896

1939.……D5000 - D156044

1940.……E5000 - E168879

1941.……F5000 - F213132 and G5000 - G17433

1942.……G17434 - G112858
1942-45....MF, MG, MC....These are the prefixes for Military Issue Columbia Models. MC is likely Marine Corps issued bikes.

1943.……G112859 - G195135

1944.……G195136 - G200000 and W5001A - W85244A

1945.……J5000 - J114781
 
Hi 37schwinn,

I appreciate greatly Mr. Columbia's website, which has helped me a lot in learning about my bicycle . The Columbia frame number lists are very useful, but I suspect that the wartime numbers are a bit more complicated than the listing. I'll try to explain...

I bought a Westfield Columbia MG154118 in Champagne, France about six months ago. The Liberator site is very good for specific US Military Bicycle information, but I found that there was very little real dating information available, apart from the list you quote, and another which discusses the various contracts and when they were placed.

I started to collect all the numbers for Military Columbias and Daytons that I could find on the internet, with other details where possible (which is why I asked about your L1 and M4 stamps, Thanks again). such as the change from curved to straight bar etc, to try to get a dating sequence for these events. I now have 40+ Columbias, and 20+ Daytons listed, and I am starting to see patterns in the numbering.

I intend to put these lists on the CABE shortly to encourage others to add details.

Although I know Mr; Columbia says there's no significance to the crank stamping such as L1, L8 etc, putting frame numbers in order with these stamps shows them increasing in a logical order, probably with J being 1942, K being 1943, and L 1944, the number following being the month. I've recorded numbers 1 to 10 so far, which seems to fit with this assumption.

If we start with your Compax W149035, crank tube stamped K7.

According to the Columbia frame number lists, W149035 was used for a bike in 1954. But not this one, which is earlier since it has blackout features, and the reinforced frame. The list also says that W was used in 1944. But those numbers end in A, and your Compax doesn't. So, it's not from this 1944 sequence either. Since neither sequence (or any other) fit the bike, then there must be exceptions not noted in the lists.

If we then look at the K7 stamping, only bicycles known to be from 1943 have K as a stamp. If we ignore the W, and put just the number into the 1944 sequence with other known MG and crank tube numbers we get:

MG140418 K6 Lady's military
W149035 K7 Compax
MG151142 K8 Men's military

Which is in the correct numerical order for both the crank tube numbers and frame numbers. So, I propose that the W signifies something else, like M possibly signifies military, and MC possibly signifies Marine Corps. (Some late contract numbers start with W, I'm not sure if this is significant).

For Compax G77552A crank tube stamped L8.

You point out that the frame number starts with G, but we've seen that letters at the start varied through this period for various reasons (MG, MC, W etc.). I think the A at the end is more significant than the G at the start. If you look at the Columbia number listing, then the only numbers ending in A are 1944. If you then take the number 77552A, it is quite close to the last number in the year's sequence, W85244A, so it would make sense that it was made later in that year. So, if I assume that's correct, then the L8 could be August 1944. Unfortunately, I don't have sufficient frame numbers from after January 1944 to demonstrate this.

For Columbia MG198492 crank tube stamped L1.

L1 on the Columbia fits in well with the end of the number series in Jan 1944, (Last in sequence MG200000), and the start of the 1944 A suffix series at W5001A

This then fits into the early 1944 sequence:

MG198492 L1
MG6771A L1
MC14625A L1
MC14626A L1
MC14629A L1

Note that none of these A suffix numbers start with X, as they strictly should do from the Columbia listing.

I hope that makes some sense, It's only thery at the moment, and I'm happy to discuss it.

Thanks for reading,

Best Regards,

Adrian
 
I have always maintained that the letter number above the serial number has nothing to do with the letter preceding the serial number in dating the bike. I've never said it had no significance at all. My guess has been it indicated the model bike that this particular crank hanger goes to. The following observations by Mercian seem to confirm this:

MG140418 K6 Lady's military
W149035 K7 Compax
MG151142 K8 Men's military

Notice that the "K" in itself is no help in dating is as if you did you would conclude it was manufactured in 1946. The numbers after that lone letter do change with model though with model change even when observing the difference of year as in the W149035 K7 Compax. To confirm this theory we would have to look at those letter/number combos for other Compax that use the same crank hanger from different years and see if they all maintain the same combo.I think Mercian is onto something here and look forward to further data he uncovers.
 
Mr Columbia,

thanks for joining the debate (-: As mentioned above, thank you too for the time you put into your website, I have found it very helpful.

I have always maintained that the letter number above the serial number has nothing to do with the letter preceding the serial number in dating the bike. I've never said it had no significance at all. My guess has been it indicated the model bike that this particular crank hanger goes to. The following observations by Mercian seem to confirm this:

MG140418 K6 Lady's military
W149035 K7 Compax
MG151142 K8 Men's military

Sorry, they were possibly a poor choice, being different models. I had compiled a lot longer list, and could see that, for example K6, K7 and K8 appeared on both men's and women's bikes, so it didn't occur to me that the abbreviated list could be interpreted as showing different models.

I don't have Frame/Crank hanger codes for many other Compax's, but I do for MG and MC bikes, which should demonstrate the same point, Listed below are all the frame numbers/crank hanger codes I've been able to verify.

Serial Bar type Crank Hanger

MG49232 Curved J3

MG89652 Straight J9

MG94023 Straight J10

MG94039 Straight J10

MG116892 Straight J10

MG119086 Straight K2

MG137342 Straight K6

MG139872 Lady K6

MG140092 Lady K6

MG140418 Lady K6

MG141623 Lady K7

MG141762 Straight K7

MG151142 N/K (Mens) K8

MG154118 Straight K8

MG154703 Lady K8

MG198402 N/K (Mens) L1

MG6771A Straight L1

MC14625A Straight L1

MC14626A Straight L1

MC14629A Straight L1

From Mr. Columbia's date listings:

1942 ........G17434 - G112858 - this is all of the J's except early 1943 serial MG116892, which is stamped J10, Could this be a frame being used up from the end of 1942?

1943.……G112859 - G195135 - this is all of the K's.

1944.……G195136 - G200000 and W5001A - W85244A - This is all of the L's.

I welcome your thoughts.

Best Regards,

Adrian

PS, I edited all of the above table into justified columns, but when uploaded to the site, the justifications disappear, anyone know a way of uploading tables to the Cabe? Thanks.
 
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Very interesting. And to add to your list is a lady MG Columbia I sold but the information added here for education. The number and code seem to be off from your list?

MG 141623 lady L4

I would like to see others add their Military Compax ballon or lightweight serial number and stamp code. I'm curious to see how many are out there.

Thanks

Albert
 
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