28" Reproduction Tire for 700c Clincher Rim

Discussion in 'Antique Bicycles Pre-1933' started by Krautwaggen, Jul 17, 2012.

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Do we need a Singletube alternative in 700c?

Poll closed Sep 15, 2012.
  1. Yes we need a classic 700c tire. More rideable bikes!

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  2. Screw it, Only original will EVER do.

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  1. #1 Posted Jul 17, 2012

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    It seems that many of us are in search of alternatives to 28" singletube tires on our 28" bikes.

    700c rims are a popular solution to getting a bike back on the road, but tire selection leaves a lot to be desired.

    I'd like to get feedback in this thread regarding who is interested in a reproduction tread tire in 700c clincher size and what tread they would like to see produced (ie. Chain, Button, Etc.)

    In your reply, please state the tread style(s)

    Ideal color options.

    How many pairs you could see yourself buying

    An ideal (but realistic) price in mind as well.

    Chain Tread 0000.jpg
    Suction Cup pavacuummcuptires.jpg
    Firestone Non-skid DSCN2107.jpg
    Vitalic 5614702061_30950399f6_o.jpg
    Button Tread (Fisk?) ButtonTread.jpg
    I'll start with:

    Size/Tread: 1.5" Chain, 1.5" Button
    Color: Black, White
    Quantity in pairs I would buy: 3
    Ideal Price <$70 per tire

    Please include in your reply only the above four attributes and any additional comments you have on the subject. I'd like to keep the thread as clean as possible. Approaching any manufacturer with this information will be easier if it's organized.

    Thanks guys!

    -Brian

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  2. #2 Posted Jul 17, 2012

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    Size/Tread: Suction cup 1.5", 1.5" Button, 1.5" Chain
    Color: White, black
    Quantity in pairs I would buy: 3
    Ideal Price: <$70pr.

    Also Brian.
     
  3. #3 Posted Jul 17, 2012

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    I want to be just like Bri!
    Seriously, i feel the same, 3 pairs, chains and buttons (not sure what "suction cups" are)....Oooh, how about the firestone "NON SKID" (Larmo has some OG's) in red with white sidewalls....I'd go as far as $75.00 per tire for those!
    Good luck!
    Bud
     
  4. #4 Posted Jul 17, 2012

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    Thanks Bud.... "Suction cups" are kinda like buttons with indentations in the buttons... like an Octopuss(-'n-boots).
    bri.
     
  5. #5 Posted Jul 17, 2012

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    I don't see any of this happening for $70 per pair of tires though. Small scale does not lend itself to economical tire making. It can be done but it strikes me as more costly. People looking to convert single tube rims on old bikes will always be a miniscule fraction of the bicycle market. Even if you brought some more people/bikes into play with clincher tires, you're still talking a niche at best. The best I see happening is a group approaching a maker and having a run of tires done, but it still would turn out to be fairly expensive.

    What I do see is maybe a compromise design that is more antique friendly, but would still have some modern features in it. I just don't see the clincher version of authentic chaintreads coming out. If you're willing to compromise and do a "retro" thing, then maybe. You need to somehow grab the wider appeal to the masses of general bikers to make it down to that economical $70 per pair price. I voted yes because it would be great to have them, but I don't see it happening at that affordable price point any time soon. I'd be happy if that proved to be wrong in the end.
     
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  6. #6 Posted Jul 17, 2012

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    Need to get Noah and the Dean fella together and mass produce this stuff....they would put everyone else out of business if they charged reasonalby (which they do)...
     
  7. #7 Posted Jul 17, 2012

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    Here's my vote:

    Size/Tread: 1.5" Chain, 1.5" Vitalic
    Color: Black, White
    Quantity in pairs I would buy: 4-5
    Ideal Price <$70

    This is the biggest problem with these old bikes is the tire/rim combo. I think we should also hound Velocity to keep making the P-35 in Teak also since that rim is the closest hoop to a steel clad rim or wood rim.
     
  8. #8 Posted Jul 17, 2012

    Wore out three sets of tires already!

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    Size/Tread: Button Tread 1.5" or preferably smooth no tread as most 1890's era bikes had.
    Color: White or preferably Light Gray as most 1890's era bikes had.
    Quantity in pairs I would buy: 3
    Ideal Price: <$70pr.
     
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    I meant $70 each. I think it would be impossible to do for
    Much less.
     
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    Your best bet is Coker (who does produce the "NON SKID" for antique MC's) but I agree you would need to prove there is enough of a market to justify having the tooling produced, etc...Best of luck!
     
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    I like the button tread in red. Not only does it rhyme, it's what was on most earlier Mead bikes. I believe they were called Hedgethorns.
    The chain tread in black would also be nice.
     
  12. #12 Posted Jul 18, 2012

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    I agree with Nick on the red button tread. I have approached a tire company that mainly produces tubular tires, that way you can have a new tire on your original rims. After all if you are going to go through all the trouble of doing this you might as well do it right. They have a tire that is close in size and would just need the molds and color samples to get going. Oh and also a order for 500 tires and you have to supply the molds. So it shouldn't be a problem to get some tires made for around 35,000.00 to start and I do not see a problem selling 500 tires but it is a bit of an investment. I believe it came out to around 175.00 per set retail. I would think a guy could sell 500 say in black and then do a run in red, then in white. I would also do all of the tires in the button tread because it is the most common and crosses more years of production and you would only have to buy your molds once.
     
  13. #13 Posted Jul 21, 2012

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    700c repro tires

    Size/Tread: Non Skid 1.5", Chain 1.5"
    Color: Brick red, White, black
    Quantity in pairs I would buy: 2 or 3 pairs
    Ideal Price: <$70 pr.

    Mike
     
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    Size/Tread: either Vitalic 1.5" or Chain 1.5"
    Color: Red with White side walls (these seem to appear in numerous vintage pics/ads of bikes from 1910-1930)
    Quantity in pairs I would buy: 4 pairs
    Ideal Price: <$100 pr. but I would be willing to fork over $150.00 per tire if someone would make 700 cc exact replicas

    My alternative right now are cream Electra Amsterdams. Have 2 project bikes in the works, both 1930 model Westfield made bikes in Columbia Carmine paint with white head tubes/darts that the red/white combination would really set off.
     
  15. #15 Posted Jul 21, 2012
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    I'd just like to see Tufo's Diamond D in a 38mm width.
     
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    I would pay $150/pr for one pair of 1.5 inch button thread in red for my Mead Ranger.
     
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    I'd prefer chain, I'd like to also see smooth, but I'll take anything! I think $150 a pair is reasonable. Black first. I would buy lots over my lifetime and I'd take 5 sets immediately if not sooner
     
  18. #18 Posted Jul 23, 2012

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    newbie question here,but does a 700c rim fit 28" tire??need to change my rear hub,or go with new rims.............
     
  19. #19 Posted Jul 23, 2012

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    Have a look at Sheldon's site. What type of "28 inch" tire are you talking about. If you have a singe tube type rim you cannot use a 700c clincher but may get away using a 700c tubular

    sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html
     
  20. #20 Posted Jul 23, 2012

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    I agree with many here....I would like to see many variations, but white, or grey buttons, suctions,

    and/or plain/no treads would be my first choice(s). There is a dearth in the market for these tires

    and somebody needs to step up to the plate. I think $70-95 a tire is more realistic.

    We would buy at least five pairs right off of the bat.
     
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