Anyone here own a Miami Flying Merkel Bicycle?

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  1. #601 Posted Jan 31, 2017

    Saint Lactose The Tolerant

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    Be careful in the identification of those ''cloverleaf cutout'' patterns.

    Look closely at each of the following chainrings ... all from Miami Cycle & Manuf. Co.

    Are they the same, regarding the ''cutout area'' ?

    ......... patric



    miami mfc. co cutout.jpg


    image miami cutout.jpg



    Miami-Built cutout hudson.jpg


    juvi f-m 22t ring copy 1916.jpg
     
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  2. #602 Posted Jan 31, 2017

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    Patric I have noticed some differences in these rings. Even though they may all be Miami rings we need to determine which ones (ring and tooth count) were actually used on the Flying Merkel. V/r Shawn
     
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  3. #603 Posted Feb 2, 2017

    Saint Lactose The Tolerant

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    Let's clarify what ring is what ring.

    Below is a variation-Hudson ring ...
    and right below this first foto is the
    Miami-Hudson machine with Miami
    Cycle & Manuf. Co. badge

    NOTE ... This ring may be what I call
    a variation ... in that the piercings (cut-
    outs) are not narrow ... and almost look
    like they are morphing into actual Miami /
    F-M rings featured in the 1915 .. 1916 ..
    and 1917 F-M catalogs.

    miami mfc. co cutout.jpg


    hudson 006 colby.jpg








    Here we have the slim-pierced (cutout) ring used on the Hudson .. from Miami Cycle.

    Miami-Built cutout hudson.jpg

    crank hudson early 1900's.jpg



    1909 hudson.jpg

    1909 hudson copy.jpg







    Now we come to the FLYING MERKEL cutout ring ...
    shown in vignette in the 1915 .. 1916 .. and 1917 F-M catalog.
    The very-first .. here .. is a vignette from the 1916 F-M catalog.


    fm  1916.jpg


    You must commit information in the following pics ... to your memory ... if you ever expect a successful-gathering in the field.



    image  f-m chainring.jpg

    image miami f-m cutout .jpg

    juvi f-m 22t copy 1916.jpg

    juvi f-m 22t copy 1916  COPY.jpg

    juvi f-m 22t copy 1916  COPY enlarge.jpg



     
  4. #604 Posted Feb 2, 2017

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    Dat be good stuff brother Patric. I show the 1" pitch ring as being used by FM in 28 and 30 tooth but not 26. Also 24T but as a center drive ring which would look different due to the way it mounts. Also would this same pattern used for the 1/2" pitch ring? V/r Shawn
     
  5. #605 Posted Feb 2, 2017

    Saint Lactose The Tolerant

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    Andy_Devine_1256902844  002.jpg

    Say boys and girls ... old Andy here ...
    them Flying Merkels are bunches of fun
    if you can find them. You need to be a
    straight-shooter and pay attention or the
    possibility of you finding a part .. or maybe
    even the whole bicycle --- may get dashed in the dirt.







    The Sons Of The Flying Merkel need to consider something ... just
    because Miami Cycle put a foto of a particular model in a catalog ..
    or piece of advertising ... doesn't mean the actual machine sold to
    a rider matched the literature. Consider this ....

    1915-Miami-Bulldog-catalog-  CABE.jpg


    1915  Miami Bull Dog ... Tall Frame  smaller foto.jpg


    1915 miami bulldog.jpg


    USE OF SOLID CENTER CHAINRING In 1915 ... Miami Cycle on the Flying Merkel


    1915 .. Model 403 ... F-M Princess 24T
    1915 .. Model 407 ... F-M Ladies Roadster 24T

    1915 .. Model 404 ... F-M Special 26T ... (but appears 28T) This is the double, parallel-bar motorbike.
    1915 .. Model 406 ... F-M Roadster 26T
    1915 .. No Racer Listed in 1915 ... the Racer was issued with 24T ring ... even the ''center drive'' from the 1920's.
    ALL SOLID-CENTER CLOVER LEAF .................. ALL ONE-INCH PITCH



    1912

    Ideally .. we need to begin at 1912 .. figuring the largest inch-pitch
    ring .. that has a solid center. There has been no literature available
    for this machine. The ring that is placed in my 1912 F-M right now
    is not the correct ring for the machine. The ring has alien origins ...
    definitely not Miami Cycle.

    Stopping for today .



    1912-Flying-Merkel-PC-1.jpg

    Wrong ring on my 1912. Ring is not a Miami
    Cycle & Manuf. Co. item. Replacing this ring
    with a solid-center 30T ring.



     
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    Had some FM patches made....

    Patch1.JPG Patch2.JPG Patch3.JPG
     
  7. #607 Posted Feb 22, 2017

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    Patches are awesome can't wait to display them with my bike.
     
  8. #608 Posted Feb 22, 2017

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    Found this pic on the interwebs. What strikes me about this motorcycle is the head tube transfer? Is this the Light Motor Co. transfer? V/r Shawn

    The-Flying-Merkel.jpg
     
  9. #609 Posted Feb 22, 2017

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    Yep.

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    IMG_3337.JPG IMG_3340.JPG Patric.....I think the chain ring is correct My Miami and has your exact chain ring.
     
  12. #612 Posted Mar 22, 2017

    Saint Lactose The Tolerant

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    Redline1968 ... it's a close call ...

    Look closely at how the centralized cutout
    terminates in the chainring on your Miami.

    Your Miami has a FLAT feature in the central-
    ized area. I believe this is a Miami feature.

    Thank you - redline1968 !!

    ...... patric

    This is a closeup of my 1912 F-M ring ....


    1912-Flying-Merkel-PC-1  COPY.jpg

     
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  13. #613 Posted Mar 22, 2017

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    Wore out three sets of tires already!

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    O my goodness!! Thanks for sharing it!! that is a beautiful machine!!!
     
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    IMG_3831.JPG I see... yours looks like it has a mushroom type cut out.. like this I think is super close.
     
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    I don't blame you for asking that's one fine bike. I'd want it too that's a beauty I'd go nicely my Hudson track...
     
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  18. #618 Posted Apr 20, 2017

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    spent parts of the last 3 days plowing through this inspiring thread. I've yet to see a more in depth exploration in all of my hobbies on any forum.
    gents... take a bow.
    oh...nice eye candy too :D
     
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  19. #619 Posted Apr 20, 2017

    Saint Lactose The Tolerant

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    Zephyrblau ... on behalf of each and every contributor
    to this thread ... we appreciate your very-kind words.

    The Special Offer (below) is for YOU !!

    ....... patric



    flying merkel badge MASTER COPY Coupon.jpg
     
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  20. #620 Posted Apr 24, 2017

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    IMG_4288.JPG I picked up this Arrow Archbar bike over the weekend.
     
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