Arnold schwinn excelsior truss bar dating

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  1. #1 Posted Apr 19, 2014

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    Finally got this up on a stand and started cleaning.what I've come up with is red frame,short white darts,nickel plated fork.this is a odd bike with the lower tube smaller in diameter,and the built in dropstand stops chi town has helped a lot on this bike.anyone have any factory color pictures thanks for any help. image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg

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    Saint Lactose The Tolerant

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    Teen's Schwinn Excelsior


    Ron ... how about a good shot of that badge ... sure .. it looks like the Excelsior badge of Michigan City, Indiana ...
    but some of us know it's a teen's Schwinn-built .......


    Thank you Ron ..............

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  3. #3 Posted Apr 19, 2014

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    Badge shot

    Here's the head badge image.jpg

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    Saint Lactose The Tolerant

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    Wha' ... how could dis be a Schwinn ...... ??



    After fussin' with exotic badges since 1982 ... know how many of these i've seen ??

    JUST THIS ONE !!!!!!!!!

    Aaarrgh ...... thatsa one crazy badge ... what a historical link this provides ...

    Twerkin' .. baby .. twerkin' ........... !!!


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    Well got more done today.some body in the past painted everything with flat black paint.the old wd40 and 0000 steel wool worked charms.the forks nickel is decent and found the fenders were red with a gold center with white pinstripes wow wild combo.put a blunt and a Amsterdam tire on it I don't want to paint it options? image.jpg image.jpg
     
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    Very nice bike! I have seen this badge on a post war bike before but I am fairly sure it is not original to the bike.
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    rustyspoke66 ... peep this badge, again ........... c'mon, now !!

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    My bad! Dang blurry pictures.
     
  9. #9 Posted Apr 20, 2014

    Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe

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    Fork

    Is the fork and crown like this one?
    Very cool bike.
     
  10. #10 Posted Apr 21, 2014

    Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe

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    I've seen three of these badges in a week. Chitown posted a picture of one in the Excelsior thread. I've got one in my display case, and now this one.
    Before that, I had always wondered why my big E badge said Arnold Schwinn & Co. Chicago on it, when it was clearly a Michigan City Indiana headbadge.
     
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    The plot thickens

    Well popped the crank out to clean it.says as 16.cleaning the frame some found excelsior on the down tube real faint but there well no painting this one now image.jpg image.jpg

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  12. #12 Posted Apr 21, 2014

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    Congrats again on a wonderful ride and beautiful cleaning job!

    1916!!! Great to get a date associated with the bike!

    Here is the 1917 celebration of the 1,000,000th Schwinn. It has the same built in dropstand-stop, fenders, fork... but with the big X logo/badge instead of the Excelsior Supply/Cycle versions.

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    Meanwhile...

    ...in 1916, Ignaz and Frank living large with their X lightweight and new 17 series X!

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    1916

    How about a pic and/or report of the serial number on the BB?
     
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    Serial no

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    This bike is kind of a missing link, for me at least.

    The 1917 ad says Schwinn made their millionth bike (presumably by sometime in early 1917).
    The crank on this bike says 1916 and the serial number is 862653.
    Since Schwinn made 1,000,000 bikes between 1902 and 1917 (as the ad states),
    then they were producing on average about 65,500 bikes a year.
    I speculate that the output was lower in the early 1900's and picked up in the teens.
    In fact, the 1917 Schwinn “Excelsior” catalog says that the 1916 output was well over 100,000 by the 1st of November. I further speculate that a lot of their frames were sold to/thru
    Wards, Mead, Black Beauty and hardware stores like Hibbard.

    Somewhere in 1917 there was a Schwinn-made frame with the serial number 999999
    and the next one after that was 000001. I would like to see some frames in the lower number ranges, both early 1900's and late teens.

    Starting over at 000001 in 1917 helps explain why by 1930 Schwinn bikes have serial numbers at 450000 and by 1934 serial numbers at 500000.
    After 1917, it appears Schwinn was producing on average around 30,000 frames a year.
    Lower output due presumably to WWI, the downturn in the early 20's that apparently killed Davis and Black Beauty.

    (Another theory would be that Schwinn made another million frames between 1917 and, say, 1925 and restarted at zero again moving towards 450000 by 1930, which would mean they would have had to produce around 100,000 frames a year between 1917 and 1930. That seems much less probable to me. Maybe someone has more evidence?)

    Also of note: The badge uses rivets rather than screws. The seats stays are not pinched. In the 1917 Schwinn “Excelsior” catalog some of the frames appear to have pinched stays and some do not. At some point, most, if not all, Schwinn frames have pinched stays.
     
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    Excelsior truss bar

    Well got it together today.put a seat and light I'd been saving for years put a wheel set on it.saved 30% of the paint .is a carbide lamp still used in 1916? I'm doing another wheel set for it with the correct hubs image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg

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    Dang! You've been busy.
     
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    what grips are corrcct for this bike?thanks