Arrow flight made by Shelby


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Gamertech

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jun 10, 2017
47
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Chicago
#1
Seeing as everyone wants me to start a new thread here it goes again. I need help with information about this bike I purchased. They say the badge is from 20’s-30’s but the frame is older??? That’s already confusing, I have a hendee Indian bicycle with a similar bottom bracket from 1916.

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fordmike65

Riding a '37 Colson Imperial
Mar 4, 2012
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#3
Very strange one indeed! I'm gonna keep watch on this thread & check up on your progress. I'm sure someone here can help out in identifying it. Good luck!
 
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Gamertech

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jun 10, 2017
47
9
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Chicago
#4
O by the way the bottom bracket on the arrow flight has a serial number but also says made in England. Looks like serial number K154021

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fordmike65

Riding a '37 Colson Imperial
Mar 4, 2012
16,988
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East Los
#5
Hmm....now that's odd. Can you take a peek in the frame headtube & check for another set of badge holes? Seems this may be put together together to some extent...or maybe not. Could be the frame never had a badge & someone added the badge & other pieces including the headset from a 30's or so Shelby built bike they had lying around.
 

Gamertech

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jun 10, 2017
47
9
34
Chicago
#6
No extra badge holes it does look factory, but I was doing some research on the Shelby company itself and realized there are two companies and the earlier Shelby company which made ideal bikes used steel from England.
 

Freqman1

Riding a '37 Dayton Super Streamline
Jul 14, 2009
16,012
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#7
Maybe one of our resident TOC experts can help with the Shelby? I've not seen that crank hanger before but if it was indeed made in England it certainly isn't a Shelby. Re: your "Hendee" Indian, if in fact, it is an Indian it is Westfield built. Just curious what makes you think 1916? BTW you can post on your Indian in this thread https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/h...tocycle-co-bicycles-information-thread.41878/ V/r Shawn
 

Gamertech

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jun 10, 2017
47
9
34
Chicago
#8
Maybe one of our resident TOC experts can help with the Shelby? I've not seen that crank hanger before but if it was indeed made in England it certainly isn't a Shelby. Re: your "Hendee" Indian, if in fact, it is an Indian it is Westfield built. Just curious what makes you think 1916? BTW you can post on your Indian in this thread https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/h...tocycle-co-bicycles-information-thread.41878/ V/r Shawn


Between 1916 -1923 they used this style of bottom bracket and a buddy of mine has the exact same frame style plus the serial number says what year.
 

Freqman1

Riding a '37 Dayton Super Streamline
Jul 14, 2009
16,012
16,603
Evans, GA
#9
Between 1916 -1923 they used this style of bottom bracket and a buddy of mine has the exact same frame style plus the serial number says what year.
If you have cracked the serial number code for the early Westfield built Indians @47jchiggins and myself would be very interested in knowing this. Does your bike still have a badge on it? V/r Shawn
 

Gamertech

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jun 10, 2017
47
9
34
Chicago
#10
We are getting off the main topic here and my friend has all that information and as soon as I have it I’ll post it on the Indian post and no my bike didn’t have any badge on there which made me think it wasn’t a Indian at all
 

blasterracing

Finally riding a big boys bike
Nov 6, 2009
465
728
Shelby, Ohio
#11
No extra badge holes it does look factory, but I was doing some research on the Shelby company itself and realized there are two companies and the earlier Shelby company which made ideal bikes used steel from England.
I was never aware that Shelby Ideal used steel from England. I thought it was all local from Shelby Seemless Tube?

Tim Newmeyer
 

Freqman1

Riding a '37 Dayton Super Streamline
Jul 14, 2009
16,012
16,603
Evans, GA
#12
I'm not thinking that is a Shelby bike. Maybe @dnc1 could shed some light on this one. V/r Shawn
 

cdrain

On Training Wheels
Jun 7, 2015
4
0
#16
I was never aware that Shelby Ideal used steel from England. I thought it was all local from Shelby Seemless Tube?

Tim Newmeyer
Tim Newmeyer is correct. Ideals were built with steel from the Shelby Seamless Tube. That's the reason Gormully and Jeffrey built the mill in Shelby - to be closer to the source of steel. That factory closed in 1901.

The Shelby Cycle Frame Builders, established by Gus Meiselbach, began making frames and forks in 1921. The parts were shipped to Chicago Cycle Supply Co. and possibly others for assembly. The company wasn't called Shelby Cycle Company until 1925.

You can read about the various companies here - https://shelbycyclehistory.org

I know its confusing. I'm working on a book!
 

Freqman1

Riding a '37 Dayton Super Streamline
Jul 14, 2009
16,012
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Evans, GA
#19
If they brought technology why not bring material too at least until the steel mill is built
I would imagine there are a few reasons but most likely cost, not meeting specifications of what they were building, and not matching timeline of venture. I would surmise badge and headset are Shelby but the frame is of English manufacture. V/r Shawn
 

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