Can this early Eclipse/Morrow be saved?

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  1. #1 Posted Mar 28, 2018

    Look Ma, No Hands!

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    The bearings that belong here are totally absent! The outer race looks to be destroyed and looks like it is part of the hub and not pressed in.

    Please tell me I’m wrong and there is something that I can do to save it!

    It looks like the Morrows built into the WW2 Years, but are the components interchangeable?
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  2. #2 Posted Mar 28, 2018

    Look Ma, No Hands!

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    It might be possible to put the hub in a lathe and dress up the race. You'll need a carbide tip tool bit. The hub absolutely has to be running true. Use a dial indicator.
     
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    Look Ma, No Hands!

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    Thanks Craig.
    I’ll show it to my machinist.
     
  4. #4 Posted Mar 28, 2018

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    Buy another one. The cost and work to save it is not worth it. It’s not the only one out there...
     
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    Yeah, I’m just going to leave the original wheelset be and build another set to ride.
     
  6. #6 Posted Mar 28, 2018

    I live for the CABE

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    or, just spend a little time trying to fix it, grease it and ride it. How many miles are you planning on actually puttin on it? 100? Trust me, it will make it, people in other countries are riding &#!^ bikes and hubs made out of tinfoil, rusted and have never seen grease or oil. This will do just fine for what you are planning and will stay original. I personally wouldnt over think it.
     
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  7. #7 Posted Mar 28, 2018

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    I can repair or replace parts. I have rebuilt a handful of them. If you end up selling the wheels cheap let me know. Otherwise pull all the parts out and I can show you (or Sheldon brown can) what is missing or broken.


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    Look Ma, No Hands!

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    Actually I bought this one specifically to ride and it physically pains me to ride anything with failing bearings. The feeling of it slowly destroying itself is like nails on a chalkboard. It’s cringeworthy.
    But I do get your point. The front hub is a little pitted and you can hardly feel it. I can live with that. The rear hub was run dry with no lubricant or bearings. My photographs don’t really capture how badly destroyed that race is. It’s beyond rough.
    No harm in building an extra wheel set!
    Thankfully the crank bearings were encased in petrified grease and cleaned up beautifully. The cages are “patented November 12 1901”.
     
  9. #9 Posted Mar 28, 2018

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    Thanks I’ll keep it in mind.
    Still going to let the machinist have a look at it while I’m there.
     
  10. #10 Posted May 14, 2018

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    Another early eclipse rear hub found. “Eclipse machine” is barely detectable It’s a bit puzzling that there is no oil hole. The barrel wall is slightly thinner than another eclipse I have from 1945. Does that mean it’s even earlier than 1903?
    Anyway the races are usable so I’m pleased with it.


    This one was repurposed for someone who apparently wanted a very low gear ratio. The snowflake chainring is just like the one on my Marathon so I rolled the dice knowing I would at least salvage that. 9014A10D-54E9-4A98-B227-875D8D6D23EB.jpeg

    The hub had 2 larger races braised to either end with the chainring on top.
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    Any insights as to the date of this hub would be appreciated!
     
  11. #11 Posted May 14, 2018

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    The race looks a little too scored to save. You should be able to fins another shell and transfer all of the good parts to it. But get new bearings.
     
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    And don't forget to lubricate!
     
  13. #13 Posted May 15, 2018

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    Thanks.
    I DID get another shell.

    I was just curious as to why it doesn’t have a hole for oil like all the other morrow/eclipse hubs.