Cleveland Welding S/N Project?


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Kajun72

'Lil Knee Scuffer
Apr 28, 2017
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14
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Eastern Washington
Well just picked this up this afternoon. What I was told 1950's AMF Roadster PaceMaker. Ok it has a 19 " frame, 26 " tires, expanding seat post, no clamp. Has an extra ear on rear drop out for fender mounting. Bendix coaster brake in rear. Handle bars are not original. Roadmaster badge is faded. Serial # B37972 G on BB. Anyone have any ideas when is was made?[/QUOTE]


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Oilit

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Dec 30, 2015
515
343
Concord NC
Well just picked this up this afternoon. What I was told 1950's AMF Roadster PaceMaker. Ok it has a 19 " frame, 26 " tires, expanding seat post, no clamp. Has an extra ear on rear drop out for fender mounting. Bendix coaster brake in rear. Handle bars are not original. Roadmaster badge is faded. Serial # B37972 G on BB. Anyone have any ideas when is was made?

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When I first posted mine under the "Middleweights" section, @Adamtinkerer said that frame style was made between 1955 and 1957, and I believe he's right, as best as I can tell.
 

Oilit

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Dec 30, 2015
515
343
Concord NC
Well just picked this up this afternoon. What I was told 1950's AMF Roadster PaceMaker. Ok it has a 19 " frame, 26 " tires, expanding seat post, no clamp. Has an extra ear on rear drop out for fender mounting. Bendix coaster brake in rear. Handle bars are not original. Roadmaster badge is faded. Serial # B37972 G on BB. Anyone have any ideas when is was made?

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And it looks like the chrome on yours ought to clean up nice!
 

ratina

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Dec 21, 2009
892
178
Westmont, IL
Well just picked this up this afternoon. What I was told 1950's AMF Roadster PaceMaker. Ok it has a 19 " frame, 26 " tires, expanding seat post, no clamp. Has an extra ear on rear drop out for fender mounting. Bendix coaster brake in rear. Handle bars are not original. Roadmaster badge is faded. Serial # B37972 G on BB. Anyone have any ideas when is was made?

Can you post a picture of the serial number?

That frame style came out mid 1954, and stopped in 1957 I believe.
 

ratina

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Dec 21, 2009
892
178
Westmont, IL
I have two of these bikes, a rough one and a nice one, both AMF Roadmaster Flying Falcons (middleweights). I read on this thread that AMF moved Roadmaster from Cleveland to little Rock in 1956, but the rough one is clearly stamped "56 CW", so that means it was built in Cleveland, correct? The number on the nicer one is a lot lighter, and if there's a year stamp, I don't see it. But it still has the "Masterweld - Cleveland Welding" sticker on the down tube, so I'm guessing (hoping) it's still a CWC built bike. Also, the connections between the bottom bracket and the frame seem to have a lot more brazing on the nicer one, but it looks like some of the original paint is still on the brass. Could this have been a factory repair?
And, is there an easy to tell a Cleveland Roadmaster from the Little Rock version?
At full enlargement of the picture, the nice one's serial number looks like "D17905", and the "D" and the "5" look like they were double stamped. I appreciate any information you can share.
Correct, the "56Cw" stamp means 1956. The other appears to have a light "5" after, look at it from different angles and see if you can see the next number.
 
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CWCMAN

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Mar 2, 2014
2,334
2,885
Sunny Southern California
With a "B" serial, your frame is definitely a 1937. However, that style double bar roadster frame was used in 39 as well with model 0226-S

For some reason, this style frame seems to be missing from the 38 offerings in a 19" seat mast.
 
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mrg

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Aug 9, 2010
2,482
6,531
socal
Does it have a offset crank housing like the #A's and I have see a few different badges, I have ones with WF, Speed & Roadmaster.
 

CWCMAN

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Mar 2, 2014
2,334
2,885
Sunny Southern California
Mark,
I believe only the "A" serial would have the offset.

Both 36 examples that I own as well as your 36 example have the offset.
 

mrg

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Aug 9, 2010
2,482
6,531
socal
All 4 of my #A have offset cranks (and yours), just wondering if it stops there for sure, anyone have a #B?
 

ZE52414

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Dec 6, 2016
3,534
4,343
32
Peoria, United States
That was easier than most are. F dates in the 36 area. And WTH? it's Blue too. I thought it be burgundy or brown. matched color of rear rack too? Check your hub for dates too.
Yes the fenders rack and frame are all matching. Same blue. I will look at the rear hub and see if I can tell what the date is. Thanks man for your help.
 

Jeff54

I live for the CABE
Sep 11, 2013
1,925
664
Ft Myers, Florida
Yeah what junky said, ZE52414. I'm forgetting, as I have I think was told is 40-41 girl and crazy unusable serial numbers and straight dropout bars with drop stand ears so, this period gets corn-fussing, a grey area. especially as, another caber has a G letter, with morrow brake and hubs dated 36, so frame is presuming 36 too and almost the same paint scheme except it's got another pinstripe on fenders , red, out lining the white. . . I had to refresh and the curved dropouts are presumed to begin in 39 but not strong until 40. The curved fender brackets also popular in 39 and continued prewar mostly on the higher end models.
 
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