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Corbin & New Departure Hub Dating Project - Need everyone's help pre-1933

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New Departure Ad from 1905 just because I thought it was COOL!!!!

:cool:

Look at the exaggerated hubs!!!!!

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I cross posted this on the Wheelmen website. Andrew Gorman replied:

Here is some information I dug up a couple of years ago:
I had a few minutes to troll through Google Books and found a few dates for the introduction and production of these hubs. Most of these dates came from magazine advertisements and some trade journal articles. Definitely not authoritative, but a start

Model A - Earliest mention 1906, still advertised in 1917

Model B - The mysterious Model B was a heavy duty hub for motorcycles and tandems

Model C - The "New Model C" was advertised in 1928

Model D - The "New Model D" was advertised in 1934. I have seen this date before the introduction of the model D.

Hopefully this quickly researched information will be some help, but I'm sure there was a lot of overlap as supplies of hubs on hand were used up, and/or sold as replacements. By the way, bicycles and accessories were constantly advertised in Boys Life, which are "full view" on Google Books.

Atherton coaster brake:
http://thecabe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?10420-Atherton-Coaster-Brake-dates&highlight=atherton
 
Gary, do you have the whole 1918 catalogue? I have a complete 1919

Mead cat. with a LOT of information in it.
 
New Departure Duplex, P.&F.Corbin. New Britain Conn.U.S.A.

New Departure Duplex, P.&F.Corbin. New Britain Conn.U.S.A. on brake arm which is different than the model 6 ads. This was on one of Blue's Racycles so I have added it to the list until an ad can be found.

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Gary, do you have the whole 1918 catalogue? I have a complete 1919

Mead cat. with a LOT of information in it.

Yep, I have an entire 1918 catalog & posted the Corbin & ND brake pages. Can you check your 1919 catalog to see which ones were available in 1919. Pretty sure it will have the ND A, R, & M. Not sure what you will find on the Corbin's. Yes, I love the Mead catalogs as the sheer amount of information is great. Thanks. - Gary
 
1927-28 New Departure Improved Coaster Brake Catalogue - Shows ND Models A & C

Howie Cohen's "Everythings Bicycles" website has a 1927-28 New Departure Improved Coaster Brake Catalogue. From the website: "A 24 page well illustrated catalogue showing the improved Model C coaster Brake, the Model A Coaster Brake, front hubs, bells the cyclometer, trouser guards and steel balls. The condition is fair-good, the dimensions are 6 x 9 inches, photo #042-01.

  • First date on ND Model C is 1927
  • New last date on ND Model A is 1928


http://www.proteanpaper.com/scart_r...eyall=&srkeywords=&srcateg=000000000000000254
 
Bill Smith just posted this on the Wheelmen site:


Dave,
Great post on hubs. I have searched through my Iver Johnson and Lovell Diamond catalogs with many of the early ones containing a lot of bicycle sundries. The 1903, the Lovell Diamond Bicycle Supplies Catalog shows the Model A the first time, calling it the 1903 Model. I was able to track the Model A through to 1926. In 1920, the Lovell Diamond catalog shows a Model C for the first time. I think this Model must have ran through 1933. In a 1934 Ward's Catalog, I found what they call the new Model D brake hub in nickel finish. They claimed it had 90% braking surface than the old model which apparently was the Model C. If you compare the Model C and D, it is very evident that the D has many more braking washers than the C, giving a much better braking ability. The 1936 Ward's Catalog now has the Model D in a chrome finish. After 1959, the Mattatuck brought out New Departure and lasted until the mid-sixties.

There are images on the Wheelmen site you might want to take a look at

http://www.thewheelmen.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5104
 
ND Model A - new first appearance 1903 Lovell Diamond Bicycle Supplies Catalog

Bill Smith just posted this on the Wheelmen site:


Dave,
Great post on hubs. I have searched through my Iver Johnson and Lovell Diamond catalogs with many of the early ones containing a lot of bicycle sundries. The 1903, the Lovell Diamond Bicycle Supplies Catalog shows the Model A the first time, calling it the 1903 Model. I was able to track the Model A through to 1926. In 1920, the Lovell Diamond catalog shows a Model C for the first time. I think this Model must have ran through 1933. In a 1934 Ward's Catalog, I found what they call the new Model D brake hub in nickel finish. They claimed it had 90% braking surface than the old model which apparently was the Model C. If you compare the Model C and D, it is very evident that the D has many more braking washers than the C, giving a much better braking ability. The 1936 Ward's Catalog now has the Model D in a chrome finish. After 1959, the Mattatuck brought out New Departure and lasted until the mid-sixties.

There are images on the Wheelmen site you might want to take a look at

http://www.thewheelmen.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5104

Thanks pelletman!!!

I'll now show the ND Model A beginning 1903 with the the Lovell Diamond Bicycle Supplies Catalog as the data source and mention first called the 1903 Model.
 
ND Model C - new first appearance 1920 Lovell Diamond Bicycle Supplies Catalog

Bill Smith just posted this on the Wheelmen site:


Dave,
Great post on hubs. I have searched through my Iver Johnson and Lovell Diamond catalogs with many of the early ones containing a lot of bicycle sundries. The 1903, the Lovell Diamond Bicycle Supplies Catalog shows the Model A the first time, calling it the 1903 Model. I was able to track the Model A through to 1926. In 1920, the Lovell Diamond catalog shows a Model C for the first time. I think this Model must have ran through 1933. In a 1934 Ward's Catalog, I found what they call the new Model D brake hub in nickel finish. They claimed it had 90% braking surface than the old model which apparently was the Model C. If you compare the Model C and D, it is very evident that the D has many more braking washers than the C, giving a much better braking ability. The 1936 Ward's Catalog now has the Model D in a chrome finish. After 1959, the Mattatuck brought out New Departure and lasted until the mid-sixties.

There are images on the Wheelmen site you might want to take a look at

http://www.thewheelmen.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5104


Pelletman, Changing the ND Model C earliest to 1920 with data source as the 1920 Lovell Diamond Bicycle Supplies Catalog & more confirmation ended in 1933.

Great pic on the brake disc differences between the Models C & D.
 
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