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Congratulations on this wonderful new arrival.
What a find to be in complete and all original condition with no damage.
One could either leave it alone as a delightful "wall piece" or embark upon some measure of rebuild/restoration.
Should you select the latter you will have no end of enjoyment going through it.
Thank you for sharing it with the forum.
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frame -
assembled of Agrati bits. lug pattern is Agrati "SPORT" nr. 000.8050/U. the bulge-formed head is item nr. 000.8056 (stock number for version not for integral headset). seat lug is item nr. 023.8059 (stock number for version without binder). seat lugs with this topmount binder seem to end in roughly the early 1950's. shell not shown well enough in images provided for an identification. it is most likely an Agrati model. shell width note: while odds strongly favour that shell will be a typical 70mm in width when one gets back into Bianchi cycles of this era and prior there is the possiblity to encounter a machine exhibiting a 74mm shell. enthusiasts understandably associate this dimension with Cinelli but it was employed to a limited extent by other makers as well.
if fork ends of unmarked stamped sheet they are probably Agrati item nr. 000.8010.
cannot recall seeing before a "SPORT" pattern bulge-formed head made for an integral headset. one thing it is good to be aware of with bulge-formed heads is that the wall thickness at the ends of the head is much thinner than it is with a traditional three-piece head. it seems adequate 99% of the time but have seen failures. not something one would want on a cyclo-cross or truck application machine.
as you probably know already the Bianchi proprietary headset design exhibits U-shaped races and takes 1/8" balls. this is the same for both the integral and non-integral versions. do not recognize the specific maker of this example; there are about five or six possibilities.
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pedal -
there was a query anent this above. this model is included in the Speedplay pedal museum where it is identified as Bianchi / Noli-Cattaneo and is shown with a date of 1950. this date likely refers to the date of the cycle on which it was found rather than a launch date for the model. here is the photo from the museum:
unfortunately the listing includes no model number.
when one examines the latticework of the cage plate a letter B can be discerned, backwards on one side and frontwards on the other.
pedals badged as Noli-Cattaneo and as Sheffield were manufactured by a firm called Industria Meccanica Di Precisione Noli-Cattaneo & C. which was founded on 27 December 1922 in the city of Pavia. rights to the Sheffield name for bicycle pedals were there from the outset:
from what have been able to determine use of the Noli-Cattaneo name as a pedal brand ended in about the early 1960's. here is an advert from 1961:
carton -
Noli-Cattaneo track model Nr. 618 -
there is a flickr album here illustrating two Noli-Cattaneo models including the number 632 -
www.flickr.com
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chainset -
curious as to the bolt circle diameter here. wondering if it might be the 86mm? perhaps you could take a measurement when convenient. it is somewhat unusual in cottered chainsets. the arms exhibit flutes on their inner faces. possible manufacturers may include Fratelli Brivio and Way-Assauto. there appears to be a marking on the head of the arms but it may be simply Bianchi. are there any markings on the inner face of the arms? what are the markings, if any, on the bottom bracket fittings?
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hubs -
whilst badged as Campag the responsible party is Fratelli Brivio
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stem & bar set -
while marked Bianchi appears to be Ambrosio
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mudguards -
am suspicious that the manufacturer of these got a good deal on this extrusion pattern from a bauxite foundry. note how little the sides curve downwards. the extrusion may have been produced for another application and there was an overrun or the client was unable to pay for the order when the work was complted so the mudguard manufacturer got this stock at a good price.
one possible manufacturer for the mudguards is Mazzucchelli -
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this is about all i have for the cycle. it is somewhat before my "core period." hope it has helped a bit.
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Congratulations on this wonderful new arrival.
What a find to be in complete and all original condition with no damage.
One could either leave it alone as a delightful "wall piece" or embark upon some measure of rebuild/restoration.
Should you select the latter you will have no end of enjoyment going through it.
Thank you for sharing it with the forum.
---
frame -
assembled of Agrati bits. lug pattern is Agrati "SPORT" nr. 000.8050/U. the bulge-formed head is item nr. 000.8056 (stock number for version not for integral headset). seat lug is item nr. 023.8059 (stock number for version without binder). seat lugs with this topmount binder seem to end in roughly the early 1950's. shell not shown well enough in images provided for an identification. it is most likely an Agrati model. shell width note: while odds strongly favour that shell will be a typical 70mm in width when one gets back into Bianchi cycles of this era and prior there is the possiblity to encounter a machine exhibiting a 74mm shell. enthusiasts understandably associate this dimension with Cinelli but it was employed to a limited extent by other makers as well.
if fork ends of unmarked stamped sheet they are probably Agrati item nr. 000.8010.
cannot recall seeing before a "SPORT" pattern bulge-formed head made for an integral headset. one thing it is good to be aware of with bulge-formed heads is that the wall thickness at the ends of the head is much thinner than it is with a traditional three-piece head. it seems adequate 99% of the time but have seen failures. not something one would want on a cyclo-cross or truck application machine.
as you probably know already the Bianchi proprietary headset design exhibits U-shaped races and takes 1/8" balls. this is the same for both the integral and non-integral versions. do not recognize the specific maker of this example; there are about five or six possibilities.
---
pedal -
there was a query anent this above. this model is included in the Speedplay pedal museum where it is identified as Bianchi / Noli-Cattaneo and is shown with a date of 1950. this date likely refers to the date of the cycle on which it was found rather than a launch date for the model. here is the photo from the museum:
unfortunately the listing includes no model number.
when one examines the latticework of the cage plate a letter B can be discerned, backwards on one side and frontwards on the other.
pedals badged as Noli-Cattaneo and as Sheffield were manufactured by a firm called Industria Meccanica Di Precisione Noli-Cattaneo & C. which was founded on 27 December 1922 in the city of Pavia. rights to the Sheffield name for bicycle pedals were there from the outset:
from what have been able to determine use of the Noli-Cattaneo name as a pedal brand ended in about the early 1960's. here is an advert from 1961:
carton -
Noli-Cattaneo track model Nr. 618 -
there is a flickr album here illustrating two Noli-Cattaneo models including the number 632 -
Noli & Cattaneo pedals
These rare pedals were made in Italy in the 1950's, possibly into the 60's. I have 2 of them but they are not a pair. Have read of the descriptions and if you can help me make a pair I would be delighted to hear from you.
www.flickr.com
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chainset -
curious as to the bolt circle diameter here. wondering if it might be the 86mm? perhaps you could take a measurement when convenient. it is somewhat unusual in cottered chainsets. the arms exhibit flutes on their inner faces. possible manufacturers may include Fratelli Brivio and Way-Assauto. there appears to be a marking on the head of the arms but it may be simply Bianchi. are there any markings on the inner face of the arms? what are the markings, if any, on the bottom bracket fittings?
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hubs -
whilst badged as Campag the responsible party is Fratelli Brivio
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stem & bar set -
while marked Bianchi appears to be Ambrosio
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mudguards -
am suspicious that the manufacturer of these got a good deal on this extrusion pattern from a bauxite foundry. note how little the sides curve downwards. the extrusion may have been produced for another application and there was an overrun or the client was unable to pay for the order when the work was complted so the mudguard manufacturer got this stock at a good price.
one possible manufacturer for the mudguards is Mazzucchelli -
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this is about all i have for the cycle. it is somewhat before my "core period." hope it has helped a bit.
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