Cyclometer / Odometer question.

[Schwinny]

Thought Id put this here since I imagine a cyclometer more of a lightweight road bike thing.

So I got one.
The old style that is attached at the front hub and has a striker attached to a spoke.
I've never had one of these before and there are no instructions right off hand.
This Bike/wheel/hub/fork was never intended for one of these, at least not with such a short bracket.
The spokes were too close to the fork for the length of the striker so I shortened it a little to get it to clear the fork. Worked great. Ran the odometer backwards.
The pic is of right side hub attachment with the numbers readable facing up from sitting/standing on the bike.
So to get it to run forwards at this level, attached as it is, the striker must be just above the hub, below the odometer wheel, a place it will not go without more modification AND it must make a difference whether the striker runs the top of the odometer wheel or the bottom. There is an over-all diameter difference there.
The only way to get the wheel to run it forward from the top is to put the whole odometer on the other side facing the opposite direction from the rider.
Or...
Raise the odometer by raising the bracket somehow. (ugly)
But...
Is the odometer wheel intended to be run from above or underneath?


Update.... Found some instructions.
Says to run the odometer wheel on the right side of the bike, from underneath, as close to the hub as is possible.... great.

 

[juvela]

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typically these mechanical odometer units are made for a specific wheel size which should be marked on there somewhere

if run on a different wheel size than intended results will be very inaccurate...


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[Schwinny]

Yes of course.
This one is most likely from the 30's and for 26". Most likely at that time was the 597 EA1.
This is a Lucas KOR model with a nickel plated bracket and striker nib.

There has been an argument as to the intended ISO size but aren't 26" rims for 26" tires, which measure 26"+/- in total tire height no matter which ISO 26" rim they are on?
Case in point 700c road bike rims of a nominal road bike size compared to the 29'r rims.... which are 700c Bead diameter yet intended for tires 29" tall.

I have now seen a version of the bracket with an elongated hub hole for adjustment up/down of the odometer. Considering the instructions saying the wheel is driven from the bottom, and this bracket I have being short with a single round axle hole, I have to imagine this was intended originally for a wheel with a very small diameter hub.
Which brings up an interesting point....
Where the striker is along the length of the spoke makes a big difference in the effective realized diameter the odometer itself sees as the striker spins its wheel. It is strange that the instructions don't specify a distance above hub centerline for the striker pin.
In my case, the pin position could differ better than an inch. I could adjust it and get it onto a spoke to a height just barely above the hub flange, or the next would be raising the odometer body and thus the striker pin by about an inch.
The closer it is to the hub, the faster it spins AND the instructions also says this is for 18-19mph maximum speeds.

Overthinking it maybe, or maybe its better as a non-functioning period piece.
It does making an irritating metallic click each time it hits. Nuts its that loud.

 

[J-wagon]

There has been an argument as to the intended ISO size but aren't 26" rims for 26" tires, which measure 26"+/- in total tire height no matter which ISO 26" rim they are on?

Good point! When I compare my 597 and 559 wheels, the height, diameter size is same. For accuracy you CA always compare cyclometer mileage to Strava or similar measurement app

 

[dnc1]

There was an auxiliary fork mounting bracket available through the 30's/40's/50's and possibly earlier, this allows fitting to pretty much any bicycle with a 26 inch wheel.....

...although I have never personally seen this bracket in use.

This 26 inch size really only relates to the tyre sizes 597mm (26×1 1/4, 'clubmans' models) or 590mm (26×1 3/8, 'sports' or 'light roadsters'; in effect most British 3-speeds) that were the only two 26 inch tyre sizes in use over here at the the time.
The fact that it may also be useable on USA size 559mm tyres is purely coincidental, and relative to the fact that all three of these sizes effectively have a real diameter of 26 inches at the tread surface, give or take a bit depending on the tyre brand.

I'm surprised you find it noisy in use.
I suppose it could sound noisy when listening to a wheel being spun in a quiet workshop, but in actual use on the road I doubt you would notice it.
I regularly ride in groups with often several machines fitted with these and under general riding conditions amongst the sound of pedalling, freewheels ticking, tyre noise etc. I can't say it's ever stood out and become annoying.
As to the speed, the wheel is still moving exactly the same distance with each revolution, regardless of the speed; and distance is what this device measures after all, it's just a basic odometer.

 

[Schwinny]

The top bracket is the one I have, and Ive seen another elongated hole style also. I think this is where I started thinking about it inside out. I started thinking of it as; it traveling around the wheel rather than it counting the wheel traveling.
Silly.
You're right of course, the ticking is a literal din while spinning on the bench. And while paying attention to it on the road I could pick out its sound but it wasn't terrible compared to the jarring effects of the road. But when I got on the asphalt bike trail with very few bumps it stood out noticeably.
I guess Im going to try and squeeze the striker under the odometer, pretty much sitting on the hub flange. Its in a nice compact placement at the hub and I dont want to raise it.
Worst case, I'll move it to the other side.

 

[juvela]

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what those pesky grenouilles were up to with respect to cyclometers at this time...

catalogue page of 1937 from the firm Deprez -

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[dnc1]

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what those pesky grenouilles were up to with respect to cyclometers at this time...

catalogue page of 1937 from the firm Deprez -

View attachment 1563409

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Those belt driven ones.
The later 'Huret' ones were terrible!

 

[juvela]

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popular song of MCMLXXVIII -

"...some enchanted evening you will meet a Multito..."


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[Arnold Ziffel]

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