Dunelt 5 Speed

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Oilit

I live for the CABE
Here's a curiosity, or at least I've never seen one before. A Raleigh-built Dunelt with 5 speeds, a Hercules chain guard, a center stand with no markings and Schwinn "Spitfire" tires. Does anyone know who built the center stand and does anybody have an idea where the serial number might be? I've checked the bottom bracket and the top of the seat post, but no luck. From the general style, maybe late 60's?

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dnc1

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Have you checked the non gear side rear dropout, or the top of the bottom bracket for number?
 

SirMike1983

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
It is a Raleigh-made Dunelt with a Trygg type center stand. Looks mid to late 1960s to me. Raleigh called this a Sprite model, with 5 speed derailler instead of the S5 Sturmey internal gear hub. Three places to check for a serial in this era: on the top side of the lug near the seat post, on the back side of the seat tube, and on the rear drops. The 1960s were a transitional time for serial numbers and serial locations at Raleigh. I dont see one on the bottom bracket in these pictures, but that is a possibility too. Raleigh was messing with a lot of its conventions in the 60s.

By top of the seat lug, I mean the upward facing surface- Raleigh started putting them there in about 1970.

http://www.kurtkaminer.com/TH_raleigh_serials.html
 
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juvela

I live for the CABE
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Thanks for sharing this find!

Had not seen this pattern of tubular crown previously.

Red plastic "tyres" on the Allvit pulleys are another dating aid. Earlier Allvits had all metal pulleys. You could check the various iterations with their respective dates at VB. Model is called 1900.

Could the Trygg pattern propstand be made by Shuresta?

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Oilit

I live for the CABE
So I got this bike back out and took another look, (with my reading glasses) and the serial number is on top of the seat lug, but thanks to a light stamp and some crud, I can only read three numbers. I took a rag to the crud, but it's tenacious. There's a smear of something that looks like roofing tar on the front fender (visible in the 7th picture) and the spot on the seat lug may be the more of the same. According to Kurt Kaminer's Head Badge webpage (thanks @SirMike1983!) the top of the seat lug was used between 1970 and 1972 or 73, so that narrows it down. While I was looking, I also noticed that the front wheel has 32 spokes and the rear has 40, which Sheldon Brown said was used on the three speeds up until the early seventies.
 

Oilit

I live for the CABE
Sir Mike, you are also correct about the Trygg centerstand. There are some markings on the top clamp plate that I first thought were numbers, but on closer look, it actually spells "Trygg". Thanks @dnc1 and @SirMike1983 for the suggestions!
 

Oilit

I live for the CABE
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Thanks for sharing this find!

Had not seen this pattern of tubular crown previously.

Red plastic "tyres" on the Allvit pulleys are another dating aid. Earlier Allvits had all metal pulleys. You could check the various iterations with their respective dates at VB. Model is called 1900.

Could the Trygg pattern propstand be made by Shuresta?

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"VB" is VeloBase? I had not heard of that site before. Looks interesting!
 

Johnny spaghetti

On Training Wheels
It is a 1968 or newer. as 3-SPEED bike English were falling out of popularity to open gear ten speeds the open gear 5-speed was offered to as an option choice to the Internal gear Strumey Archer S5 5-speed hub that is some what rare. Raleigh produced the 1967-70 or so Sprite 5-speed with the same open gear & IGH SA S5 hub option.
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juvela

I live for the CABE
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Hello Oilit,

Have you done any more with this find?

Clean up? Use? New information?

Is gear block T.D. Cross?

Are wheel rims Dunlop?

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Oilit

I live for the CABE
Juvela,
I still have this one, but it's still waiting for attention. The rims are Sturmey-Archer if memory serves, and I think the goop on the fender is pine tar. I haven't seen any Sturmey-Archer rims earlier than the '60's, and I wonder if these were made from the tooling the British Cycle Corp. used for the BCC rims, introduced just before the merger with Raleigh. The chrome isn't as good but the form is very similar. But aside from the timing, I haven't seen any hard evidence one way or the other, so it's just speculation for now.
I'll have to check the gear block and see what I can find out.
And I need to quit picking up projects and spend more time on the ones I already have!
 

juvela

I live for the CABE
And I need to quit picking up projects and spend more time on the ones I already have!

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Now there is a sentiment we all know only too well! :D

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Thanks very much for the additional information.

Evidently the wheels on these are 26" so I would expect the front spacing to be 89mm rather than the 100mm one usually encounters on a derailleur geared machine.

Would assume headset and bottom bracket thread to be 26TPI. Of course if shell is 71mm there is no need to check further...

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SirMike1983

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
By the time of this bike, the Raleigh/TI conglomerate owned the Sturmey Archer name and applied it to a variety of "house" type products. So it's not uncommon to see rims with the name. They're usually good, basic and utilitarian rims. They're heavy but they do the job. Wet condition braking stinks, but that's the nature of the beast.

The older generation of Raleigh and Dunlop rims from before 1960 were generally a bit better. The Dunlop Special Lightweights in particular were nice. The Raleigh "stainless" types with matte grey center ridge were nice too. Unfortunately the market for higher quality, steel rims gradually eroded as aluminum became the choice for higher performing bikes and steel was basically low-end or utilitarian.
 

SirMike1983

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
The older ones had 26 x 1 3/8 (ISO 590) wheels. There was a 26" Sprite with S5 Sturmey hub, 26" Sprite with 5 speed derailler, and finally a 27" Sprite with derailler (usually seen as a 10-speed, but sometimes as a 5; sometimes you see "Sprite 27" as the model name). The S5 internal gear hub version is my favorite (especially if it's the 23 inch "tall" frame).
 
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Blackbomber

Wore out three sets of tires already!
The older ones had 26 x 1 3/8 (ISO 590) wheels. There was a 26" Sprite with S5 Sturmey hub, 26" Sprite with 5 speed derailler, and finally a 27" Sprite with derailler (usually seen as a 10-speed, but sometimes as a 5; sometimes you see "Sprite 27" as the model name). The S5 internal gear hub version is my favorite (especially if it's the 23 inch "tall" frame).
Thanks!
 

Oilit

I live for the CABE
There was also an earlier Sprite (late '50's? early '60's?) This example was recently on Facebook Marketplace in Dayton TN for $125.00. Unfortunately I was too slow, so the only pictures I have are the ones from the ad. But somebody got a smoking deal!

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juvela

I live for the CABE
There was also an earlier Sprite (late '50's? early '60's?) This example was recently on Facebook Marketplace in Dayton TN for $125.00. Unfortunately I was too slow, so the only pictures I have are the ones from the ad. But somebody got a smoking deal!

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Thanks very much for gluing this in Oilit!

That Swallow alone is probably worth the price of the whole cycle.

With all of this renewed activity on the thread maybe we can encourage you to put the Dunelt on the front burner ;)

PS - thanks for posting Bob, is that short for Roberta?

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