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I usually leave stuff in for overnight with Evaporust.

People old and with long memories will remember the original Navel Jelly(not the eco-friendly stuff they sell today by the same name). It was the same as Evaporust in results and often left your metal darker. You can polish it of course. Basically for the $$, Evaoprust is overrated.

Rusty chains in Evaporust are also a disappointment...I expected better for the $$. But it starts them in the correct direction. Anything serious and I use Sizzle by Hercules. When I was plumbing we used it for rust and scale. Extremely potent, and extremely dangerous. You're talking minutes, however. Hydrochloric acid.

I guess if you've never used real acid, Evaporust would seem like it's working great.

Kevin
 
I usually leave stuff in for overnight with Evaporust.

People old and with long memories will remember the original Navel Jelly(not the eco-friendly stuff they sell today by the same name). It was the same as Evaporust in results and often left your metal darker. You can polish it of course. Basically for the $$, Evaoprust is overrated.

Rusty chains in Evaporust are also a disappointment...I expected better for the $$. But it starts them in the correct direction. Anything serious and I use Sizzle by Hercules. When I was plumbing we used it for rust and scale. Extremely potent, and extremely dangerous. You're talking minutes, however. Hydrochloric acid.

I guess if you've never used real acid, Evaporust would seem like it's working great.

Kevin

There are all kinds of chemicals that will remove rust. There are even bathroom cleaners that will turn your chrome black. You just have to know what you’re dealing with. I don’t know what Evapo-Rust consists of, but they say it’s not a citric acid and I don’t believe it’s an OA mix.
 
Any tips on what to use for degreasing items like the chain before dipping in Evapo Rust?
I degrease items going into the Evapo Rust with straight dishwashing detergent and a scrub brush, then rinse thoroughly and let dry. We have a forced-air HVAC system in our house, so I speed up the drying by turning on the blower and then placing the items over the breeze coming up from a floor vent.

I used it on many different chromed accessories for restoration and the results seem to vary based on the quality of the original plating. Miller components will come back very well after an overnight soak. Union lighting parts don't respond as quickly but will clean up eventually. Huret speedometer cases and bezels will come back nicely if they're not too far gone originally, but once their chrome starts to get speckled, to the point where the underlying steel is actively rusting, the rust pushes the chrome up from underneath, so there's only so much that the Evapo-Rust can do when the chrome is physically dislodged from the base layer.

I also use it especially for its paint-stripping capabilities with spray paint finishes. (Baked-on paint such as an original factory frame doesn't get touched.) Huret never did a very good job with their gray Hammertone textured paint (seen on their own house-branded speedometer heads, as well as their round Schwinn Approved, Sting-Ray or Exerciser heads), but a couple of days in Evapo-Rust and the old texture paint finish is falling off in sheets, so I can then prep the surface with a Dremel wire brush and do a nice Hammertone respray.

It also does no harm to rubber or plastics. This means that I can throw old pedals into the EvapoRust soup without disassembly, and they come out fine. I can also drop in Miller taillight lens assemblies (which are plastic lenses in a rolled metal bezel), and they will come out nice and shiny with a sparkling red lens in the middle.

$20/gallon sounds like the best deal to me; I usually pay a bit more locally. I use a large-ish plastic tub with a snap lid (one of those that the relatives give you to bring home your dinner leftovers) that's big enough to hold whatever parts I want to dunk. I drop in the degreased parts, snap on the lid, and swish the whole container by hand whenever I think of it. Otherwise it just sits quietly in a corner of our laundry room, which is always extra warm when the machines are running.
 
There are all kinds of chemicals that will remove rust. There are even bathroom cleaners that will turn your chrome black. You just have to know what you’re dealing with. I don’t know what Evapo-Rust consists of, but they say it’s not a citric acid and I don’t believe it’s an OA mix.
Exactly and I'm experimenting away from the laboratory acids. I just bought some 99% (non food grade) vinegar. Stuff is expensive too, but expect great results against rust and they say it works great on weeds too. This would be so much easier than trying to buff old electrical contacts I'm always getting into. I'm sure I'll find dozens of uses for it besides electrical.

I'm a big fan of Toto toilets. I think I've put in about 25 in the last three or four yrs and I'm supposed to be retired. They have some special baked-on bowl finish and you're not supposed to use ANY kind of cleaner that has abrasives. I'm going to attack the ring with the moistened towels of the 99% vinegar. Should work in theory. I've been reluctant to use the Sizzle because of that special bowl finish.

I have high hopes for the 99% vinegar.....I'll post back. Oh and as an FYI....you can completely restore old used file with hydrochloric acid. It's in old formula textbooks. Because of liability issues, I'm not saying anything more about that.

Kevin
 
So Evaporust is citric acid pre mixed in water. So you’re paying for a pre mix. I buy this product on EBay in a powder form. Just a powdered citric acid that you mix with water. Way less expensive and you’re not paying freight on 5 gallons buckets. It actually seems to work better than Evaporust.
Different sizes available but i normally get the 20 gal sack and mix 5-10 gallons at a time.

Would you have a link to the specific product? Might be an option moving forward.
 
Would you have a link to the specific product? Might be an option moving forward.
Yeah, this is great stuff. Wondering if using non-mineralized distilled water is best? I certainly feel victimized buying premade Evaporust if this stuff works as well or better.

His link takes you right to product on eBay......you're not saving much money until you get into the mix for 5 gals or more. Just 1 gal mix is about $18. Whether it works "better" than Evaporust, you guys will have to report back.

Kevin
 
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So Evaporust is citric acid pre mixed in water. So you’re paying for a pre mix.
People old and with long memories will remember the original Navel Jelly(not the eco-friendly stuff they sell today by the same name). It was the same as Evaporust in results and often left your metal darker.
Uhhh... No.

I am not knocking either of those things as rust remover but they are both acid, and Evaporust is not acid. It is PH neutral. Acid is going to attack the base metal on some level or another because it is acid. Extra care is needed.

Naval jelly and most rust removers from days gone by (and today for that matter) are based on Phosphoric Acid. This includes Naval Jelly, Ospho, Jasco, Coca Cola (LOL), and a million others. My experience with these, which are often called "rust converters", is that they never get all the rust. They get some of it and then skin over whatever is left with a black phosphate. While this can slow down rust a lot, it just ain't what I am after if I am trying to REMOVE ALL of the rust. Evaporust will get all of it, given long enough to work. Once you are down so the only rust is in deep pits, the surface area of the pits is tiny and it takes forever, but it does not stop. Phosphoric acid will skin over with black phosphate and stop.

Vinegar is Ascetic Acid. It removes rust. Being an acid, it also attacks base metal. It can work well. You probably want the canning grade. It is stronger.

Citric acid probably works too. It is also in the canning aisle, and it is also acid. I don't have much experience with this one. I have a bunch of the powder I bought trying to go after lime deposits. I hear it removes rust too. Your mileage may vary.

Muratic Acid (pool acid) is aggressive as hell and removes all the rust. It also attacks the good metal pretty aggressively, though slower than it attacks the rust. Read up on this one and how to handle it so you don't have any explosions. Protect your eyes and everything else. DON'T breathe the fumes. It ruins almost anything it touches. Don't keep it in your house or shop. It can be sitting in a sealed jug, and other iron and steel stuff in the same building will start rusting faster within a large radius. I can't explain that. It can be extremely useful in some situations. Your mileage may vary.

Oxalic acid is a terrific rust remover. It is an acid, so no doubt also attacks the base metal. Like all acids, it needs a close watch on progress. The best results I have ever seen on bicycles with the least apparent paint loss I have ever seen have been in CABE threads by other people. I have only used it on small parts. I like it.

So much for acids. If you want to go down a DEEP Internet rabbit hole, there are people who think they have identified the chemical in Evaporust, using spectroscopy and reading old scientific papers and so on. It is nothing you could just go out and buy in the canning aisle, I'm sure of that. If identified correctly, it is also nothing you have ever heard of unless you are a chemist. Is it overpriced? Maybe. Probably. Are there cheaper products that might have the same chemical? Probably. Are there more concentrated versions available somehow so you aren't shipping a bunch of water? Probably. I don't know. As I said, the rabbit hole is deep. I invite you all to go look. I gave up.

Evaporust in no way resembles any of those previous acid-based rust cures. I can only assume the people saying so have never actually seen any, or got any on their hands. The only old fashioned rust cure that seems similar is molasses. I understand that it works well, and is probably a lot cheaper down at the farm store. Of course molasses stinks (not that Evaporust is entirely stink-free), and molasses is going to attract bugs because it is sugar. There is a persistent ant problem in my neighborhood, and the ants went for my garbage can of Evaporust for about a day and a half. Then, they decided they did not like it at all. They never came back. Molasses also might be acid on some level, but mainly works by chelating rust just like Evaporust does. It is the closest thing you are going to get for cheap in bulk, but may be impractical for some of us to use.

There is also electrolytic derusting. The results are errily similar to Evaporust, and it is way cheaper. The trouble is it sort of works well as line of sight from the steel electrodes, so it doesn't work too well on hollow parts or mechanisms that don't come apart. Evaporust does not have that limitation. Electrolytic derusting would work awesome on something like a fender where the surface is all on the outside. Read lots of HOW-TOs so you don't get the polarity of the power supply backwards due to someone's typo. That will damage your parts. It is pretty harmless when done right, just like Evaporust. In my opinion it is going to remove paint, but in my experience so would Evaporust. Either of these methods will get to the rust even if it is under paint, and then there is nothing holding the paint on anymore.
 
I've been very happy with molasses for rust remover-10% molasses to 90% water. It does take time, has an odor and can draw flies. It works slowly, but with great results. I haven't used it in years.
 
Evaporust in no way resembles any of those previous acid-based rust cures. I can only assume the people saying so have never actually seen any, or got any on their hands. [...] Electrolytic derusting would work awesome on something like a fender where the surface is all on the outside. Read lots of HOW-TOs so you don't get the polarity of the power supply backwards due to someone's typo. That will damage your parts.
Unfortunately I discovered that getting Evapo Rust on my hands causes my dermatitis to flare up, even after just a brief exposure and a thorough wash, so I have to wear gloves anyway.

As for that product, as well as the electrolytic method, I got a kick out of watching both on "The Repair Shop" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6685272/) that great British TV show about restoring practically anything and everything you could think of. (The show is currently on FreeVee, or under Prime Video which will be taking over FreeVee in the coming months.) They don't mention brand names, but they've used Evapo Rust in several episodes. Its translucent yellow color is instantly recognizable, and in one episode you could see the distinctive silver-gray plastic jug in the background.

They also demonstrated the electrolytic method using what looked to be a car battery charger...? I thought the process needed more than 12 volts. I didn't know it was polarity-sensitive either. Sounds like what happens when you play a Country record backwards: you get your truck back, your girl back and your dog back...
 
Oh I don't think it's more than 12 volts. Probably less. I may have used a 12v power supply on something big once. I've not done this in a while and fear i might have some details wrong. Voltage might not matter too much. I think it's current vs the size of the parts. You can adjust current with how much washing soda you put in. I probably used a current limited power supply so I didnt have to keep track of the current closely. The washing soda is what makes the water conductive enough to work with the low voltage. Polarity matters for sure. Your steel electrode or cage is sacrificial and gets really destroyed.
 
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