Gramp’s 1941 New World - Trying to get it running as a rat rod bike


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GTs58

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Sep 2, 2012
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#21
Thanks for the threading info GT.

The Sheldon Brown site says the Superior and New World were seamless chromoly.
Sheldon Brown

Miq

Not being a smart a, but I take some things on Sheldon's site with a grain of salt. He stated that Schwinn never imported bikes from their Hungarian factory and that printed statement is 100% false. ;)

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Beach Bum III

Look Ma, No Hands!
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#22
That's my understanding. They ride really nice. I regret getting rid of mine but I was a teenager and traded it for an SE Cruiser. Ha. I think the later 60's Super Sports used the same frame jig but I'm not positive.
 

Beach Bum III

Look Ma, No Hands!
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#24
Was hoping to find just a crank too but most eBay listings are for the whole crank and bottom bkt assembly. There’s an older looking set from a Hornet DX bike on eBay right now. Are most old cranks treaded the same and have the same spacing?

Thanks for any advice you can share.

The bike was painted with red spray paint and is pretty beat but I think it will be a very cool rat rod and the sentimental value for me is huge.
I've never had a problem swapping Schwinn parts from year to year. It all seems to work together (barring the later tire/rim sizes). For the rattle can finish; a gentle rub with lacquer thinner can sometimes reveal original paint and even decals if you are careful...
 

Jeff54

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Sep 11, 2013
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#26
Hello Miq welcome, , However, it appears as if you've got some misidentification on serial numbers. The drop-outs in 41 were rear facing and it wasn't until 45-46 that the front drop-outs on your bike were implemented. Did you use that dfumb auto thing at schinnhistory site? it's got lots of faults. Accordingly, The better serial number site : http://www.angelfire.com/rant/allday101/SchwinnCodes3.html Lists your SN# H69537:

1953: 02/23 to 02/24 ------- H68055 ----------------- H72800

That would mean your serial numbers are on the drop-out. However if they're on the bottom bracket then it means it was built post war; 46-51.

Hi Cabe Lightweight Schwinn Folks,

I recently inherited my grandfather’s 1941 BF Goodrich badged Schwinn New World. SN# H69537. I’ve been reading about it and learning how its built as I take it apart. I’m really interested in getting this bike running again to ride with my kids. It looks really ratty on the outside since it was stored in a shed in Pennsylvania for the past 70 years or so but the bearings and races all seem ok. View attachment 932959
 

SKPC

Wore out three sets of tires already!
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#29
What's up with your right axle? I may have one for you, I will look today. (edit) Oh, I forgot it was cut off!
 
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Miq

Finally riding a big boys bike
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#30
GTs58, I have seen a lot of different info different places for sure. I'll say drawn seamless steel for now. :)

Beachbum, I'll keep looking at ebay and see what cranks pops up.

Thanks Sven!

Jeff54, there is too much messed up serial number info out there. I'll send pics that show why I think it's prewar. Maybe I'm naïve in judging, I'm hoping you guys can help.

Rust Junkie, the Goodrich info is great! Do you know what year it was from?

SKPC, thank you for looking for a R axle for me. Fingers crossed.
 

Miq

Finally riding a big boys bike
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#31
1941 Schwinn New World Catalog Page.jpg

The bottom pic model W1M from this 1941 catalog is really close. Same chain ring gear style with the small holes between the bigger holes. Says "with coaster brake...and with one-piece hanger set."
 

Miq

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Check out the rear mud guard. It has separate "wire" stays that meet at the axle. There are two sets of "eyes" that need to be attached to the axle. Post war this changed to a one eye scheme. Also when you look at the way the upper stay angles back from the axle it is almost straight up and down on the post war bikes. The stays on the "two eye" prewar bikes angle toward the back of the bike, not straight up and down.

Miq
 
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Miq

Finally riding a big boys bike
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#37
1948 Catalog:

1948_schwinn_W1M - New World Lightweight.jpg

By 1948 you can see how the rear stay points straight up and is integrated with the bottom stay when it joints the frame at the axle. Chain guard attaches to the frame differently as well. Chain ring gear (front sprocket) no longer has the little circles between the bigger circles.

Here's a pic of the exact chain ring gear in the 1940 catalog #229 "Sprocket Dished 52 tooth 1/2" x 1/8" - New World and B Models".
1940 Catalog Page 25 CHAINRINGS.jpg

New World Catalog Page 26.jpg


Miq
 
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Miq

Finally riding a big boys bike
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#38
The seat and the grips may have been replaced. Anyone have a feel for the vintage of those parts?

Miq
 

Roger Henning

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 2, 2018
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#39
The red bike in question is a prewar bike. Prewars had welded on seat post clamps and postwars the clamp was separate part. Roger
 

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