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ZE52414

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Dec 6, 2016
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#61
Isn’t the rack and dropstand all in one? I feel like I’ve seen one before on here. Guessing, but most likely Davis specific.
 
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cyclingday

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Feb 24, 2008
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21,286
Costa Mesa, California. United States
#62
The parts catalog shows this one.
It has the seat stay type attachment, but it looks a little different than the one on your bike.
I’ve been keeping a casual eye out for the one shown in the catalog, but still haven’t ever seen one exactly like what is shown.
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SKPC

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Feb 2, 2018
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Utah - United States
#64
Sir Canuck, could you provide better pics of your Rack/Stand especially near the rear axle? And of the bend area in the frame top? Also the bend in one of the slats: it appears the slat is bent from downward pressure of gear or people onto the fender,(the frame attachments may have slipped down a bit) but the fender looks unaffected. It's so different than the other similar looking teens racks. Marty?
 

redline1968

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Oct 16, 2008
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4,124
Seattle, United States
#66
I’d leave alone too.. no sense in doing anything but display it.. those welds are all over on the tubes he probably paint black on it for the paint underneath was burnt by the torch...and if he used a torch it probably changed the structure of the tubes.. so I’d leave it alone looks like it was used after the welds....or in a long shot....it would look nice next to my indian...lol :0........that rack is interesting .. not connected to the stand..
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Canuck

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jun 28, 2019
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#67
I will take some addition pictures of the stand this evening for you.

On another note, I am more convinced my great grandfather was original owner. He would have been early to mid teens 1918. When I got home I Noticed another set of letters on down tube after “Motorcyke”. Very very faint only visible in bright light. At first I thought it was the remnants of another bicycle name and my great grandpa was making knock offs. But in better light I could tell it wasn’t a brand name, instead it was his name. From what I can tell he even tried to use a similar colour as Motorcyke was written in. Adults don’t write their names on their bikes, but a 13 or 14 year old might. Also, you would write your name on a shiny new bike because you wouldn’t want it to be stolen. You wouldn’t write it on a bike that was in used condition as the threat of theft would not be high.

I will be having old family pictures checked to see if I can find one of him on this as teen.
 

Canuck

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jun 28, 2019
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#68
SKPC, hope these help.
Also upon closer inspection the rack appears to have been painted black at some point in its life. Some of the black paint has been chipped away and under that it appears to be he same colour olive green as the rest of the bike.

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razinhellcustomz

Wore out three sets of tires already!
May 28, 2018
804
405
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kiel wisconsin
#69

razinhellcustomz

Wore out three sets of tires already!
May 28, 2018
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kiel wisconsin
#70
Beautiful bike! Very nice seat stay rear carrier mount. Have not seen this before, but I don’t get around much...
Any info on this carrier is appreciated.

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It's o.e.m. I have seen this on an early h-d bike that hung from the rafters at mischlers h-d in beaver dam wisconsin. Very rare bike. Razin.
 

razinhellcustomz

Wore out three sets of tires already!
May 28, 2018
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kiel wisconsin
#71
I will take some addition pictures of the stand this evening for you.

On another note, I am more convinced my great grandfather was original owner. He would have been early to mid teens 1918. When I got home I Noticed another set of letters on down tube after “Motorcyke”. Very very faint only visible in bright light. At first I thought it was the remnants of another bicycle name and my great grandpa was making knock offs. But in better light I could tell it wasn’t a brand name, instead it was his name. From what I can tell he even tried to use a similar colour as Motorcyke was written in. Adults don’t write their names on their bikes, but a 13 or 14 year old might. Also, you would write your name on a shiny new bike because you wouldn’t want it to be stolen. You wouldn’t write it on a bike that was in used condition as the threat of theft would not be high.

I will be having old family pictures checked to see if I can find one of him on this as teen.
My grand father would have been 19 in 1918. So he might have had his name on a bike this rare. Thievery was rampant in the early part of the last century. These bikes probably sold for one months pay or more. My grand parents were married in the early twenties, so this might have been like a motorcycle now days. A luxury item. Razin.
 

razinhellcustomz

Wore out three sets of tires already!
May 28, 2018
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#72

ThegoodThebad&Therusty

I live for the CABE
Feb 18, 2012
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In exile
#73
Yeah, but for how much money? Iv'e seen these go for insane amounts of money. (450.00 + each} Razin.
He's asking $495 for a pair with free shipping. When you consider the historical significance of this bike and the fact that I believe the new caretaker inherited it, (doesn't have a ton of money invested in it already) that's a small price to pay for keeping the bike as period correct as possible and still be able to ride it. For this rare of a bike, I personally think that's a better option than going the Velosity Blunt direction like I did with my Elgin to get it back on the road. This of course is dependent on how true the OG wooden wheels are.
 

Canuck

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jun 28, 2019
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#74
no idea whether they are the original wood rims. They appear to have been painted an off silver at some point in their life. Once I have time I will take a closer look to see if their is any army green paint ( I think the original colour the rims would have been painted) hiding under that silver.

I currently have 8 road/cyclocross bikes, 5 mountain bikes, and 2 bmx, that my family of four rides on an ongoing basis, that I maintain and replace tires on every few years. So in the grand scheme of things, it’s not a big deal to add a couple antique bikes to the rotation. Tires may cost more, but I suspect their lifespan will be a lot longer than the ones that get daily use.
 

ThegoodThebad&Therusty

I live for the CABE
Feb 18, 2012
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214
In exile
#75
no idea whether they are the original wood rims. They appear to have been painted an off silver at some point in their life. Once I have time I will take a closer look to see if their is any army green paint ( I think the original colour the rims would have been painted) hiding under that silver.

I currently have 8 road/cyclocross bikes, 5 mountain bikes, and 2 bmx, that my family of four rides on an ongoing basis, that I maintain and replace tires on every few years. So in the grand scheme of things, it’s not a big deal to add a couple antique bikes to the rotation. Tires may cost more, but I suspect their lifespan will be a lot longer than the ones that get daily use.
Oh yeah, they've been painted over. One thing You haven't elaborated on yet that could add a piece to the puzzle is what is the rear hub ? Back in 1918 it should have been a ND model A or possibly an Eclipse Machine or another more exotic brand like a Corbin or Atherton, something along those lines. I imagine the front hub is a ND model M.
 

Canuck

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jun 28, 2019
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Canada
#76
Will name/brand of hub be stamped on hub? Or will people in this board be able to tell from a picture of the hubs?
 

Euphman06

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Aug 17, 2011
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#77
Both.. It should be stamped, maybe even on the brake arm.

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ThegoodThebad&Therusty

I live for the CABE
Feb 18, 2012
1,477
214
In exile
#78
Will name/brand of hub be stamped on hub? Or will people in this board be able to tell from a picture of the hubs?
Yes, on the barrel of the hub and or the brake arm. You can also tell by the shape of the barrel if you can't see any stampings. New Departure model A's have an hourglass profile. When they transitioned to the model C and later they had a straight profile with an oil port in the middle.
 
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razinhellcustomz

Wore out three sets of tires already!
May 28, 2018
804
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kiel wisconsin
#80
no idea whether they are the original wood rims. They appear to have been painted an off silver at some point in their life. Once I have time I will take a closer look to see if their is any army green paint ( I think the original colour the rims would have been painted) hiding under that silver.

I currently have 8 road/cyclocross bikes, 5 mountain bikes, and 2 bmx, that my family of four rides on an ongoing basis, that I maintain and replace tires on every few years. So in the grand scheme of things, it’s not a big deal to add a couple antique bikes to the rotation. Tires may cost more, but I suspect their lifespan will be a lot longer than the ones that get daily use.
A cheaper route would be to go to a later clincher style rim with 28" or the 700cc rims and tires. A lot cheaper in the long run. Razin.
 

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