help ..german bike?


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Robert

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I Googled Westfalen and found lots of bicycle rental agencies. I suggest that you EMail several agencies with a Serial Number. They may be able to give you more information. Good Luck
 

Andrew Gorman

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A quick search turned up a German bicycle historical group at:
http://www.historischefahrraeder.de/index.php?article_id=1
I can almost puzzle my way through with what's left of my high school German, but you can also use babelfish to translate the site. There is a message board, and probably a post in English with a picture will get a response.
They may have some more information for you. What hubs does the bike have? that could provide a clue or two.
 
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Yannick

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Nordrhein-Westfalen is a part of Germany so it was probably built in that area.





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3-speeder

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@Mercian do have any info on these bikes? Wondering if they were a wartime bike used by the German military or maybe more of a prewar era civilian model? A seller has one posted as WW2 era. Anyone have any ideas on them? Thanks for any info. Appreciate it, Bob
 

Mercian

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Hi Bob,

I've had a look for you. They are a bit of a mystery bike, the main internet references being people asking what they are, and a few different models, mainly 1970's, for sale on EBAY Germany.

This is typical of the responses

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/293606-westfalen-top-model.html

https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/p...ague-questions-about-its-age-and-value.13057/

ie, tumbleweed.

They are difficult to research, since Westfalia is a region of Germany (famous for a type of White Horse, hence the badge), and the search term Westfalia Farrad brings up bicycle shops in the area.

In conclusion they could be rebadged from other makes, european bike design is more conservative in the 1930's to 1970's than US bike design, so I wouldn't trust any claims for a bike of that marque to be wartime without some solid proof from the seller.

Some hope of dating is that many German bikes have 'Fichtel & Sachs' rear hubs, and these are easily dateable, assuming it still has the original hub:

http://www.torpedo-coasterbrake.com/

For what it's worth, the bike at the beginning of this thread looks early 1960's to me with the badge and decals.

I hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Adrian
 

3-speeder

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Thank you sir. My searches turned up similar results. I appreciate the links. When I go to look at the bike I'll try to date it by the hub. It does have rear forks, not drop outs, and from the looks of it could be prewar. Very similar decals and headbadge as bike pictured above. If I can get it for a decent price I'll post up a new thread with pictures.
 
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Andrew Gorman

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Best German bike board I have found is at:
https://www.altesrad.net
The thing with German one speed bikes is that they were virtually unchanged from the 1930's through the 1980's, with a little more bling postwar. A search for "truppenfahrad" will show you what military bikes looked like. Ignore the Swiss bikes, just look at the German.
 

3-speeder

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The guy finally gave me a price on the Westfalen. Had to pass. Guess I wasn't that interested $$$$.
 

Mercian

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Thanks for the follow up, it's always interesting to know what happened next.

As I said above, if it was a 1940's German bike you were after, then I think you dodged a bullet on this one. It might be, but probably isn't.

Best Regard,

Adrian
 
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