Help i.d. bicycle frame


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Tino

Finally riding a big boys bike
Mar 4, 2012
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Northern Indiana
#1
Hi guys, I am not sure what I have here. The fenders and wheels are not original to the bike. It is badged as a Hawthorne but it might not be original to the bike either as the rest seems pieced together. The sprocket is a Fauber special. I am hoping somebody can identify the frame and fork based on the following pictures. Thanks Tino
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shoe3

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Feb 2, 2011
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Springfield, United States
#3
Fork definitely Excellsior! Probably repaint but Excellsior known for green paint schemes.
 
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anders1

Finally riding a big boys bike
Jun 18, 2018
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Southern California, USA
#4
This is my Michigan City Excelsior mid 20’s. Paint on your bike definitely looks to me like it was repainted at some point?
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anders1

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Jun 18, 2018
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#5
Only a guess but seems to me that the badge might be correct on an older fix up. Especially if badge holes line up properly. What are the chances you would have found another to fit perfectly back in the day? Just my thoughts...
 

Goldenindian

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Aug 31, 2014
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Marinette, Wisconsin
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anders1

Finally riding a big boys bike
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Archie Sturmer

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jun 13, 2018
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Los Angeles, CA, USA
#17
The curvy bend (drop bar) looks characteristic Great Western, as does the heavy boss hairpin truss rod.
Excelsior's may have more of a faired yoke (wye) truss rod. See threads on the Fauber-GWM connection.
GW may often have badges such as Adlake, America, Crown, Reading Standard; R/S may have had side-holes.
Catalogs say 20" nominal frame size, but mine is 19-3/8" - and may require Ross 35mm headset cups.
 
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shoe3

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Feb 2, 2011
976
741
Springfield, United States
#18
my, bad...on Excellsior....Saw one once with fauber and fork. Great Western looks like a match....they must made for Montgomery Ward ...Hawthorne bicycles.
 

Archie Sturmer

Look Ma, No Hands!
Jun 13, 2018
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Los Angeles, CA, USA
#20
Aside from some switched out parts.
The dogleg cranks might not be GW or Fauber; the chain ring, with 3 arms, may be an older Fauber with a separate hole for the round drive pin.
On my Fauber set, the drive pin hole was in place of one of the more rectangular slots in one of the 3 arms.
A reason that the cranks look askew may be because GWM could have used oversize cranks, (hard to see), with the drive pin further from the shaft, perhaps also requiring oversize cone thread diameters?

Some GWM motorbike ads show a snowflake design, (similar to Iver Johnson & Hawthorne), which GW identifies as R.S. design (Reading Standard).
 
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