Help I.D. this TOC/teens era frame, if you please

[boardhoarder]

I recently picked up this TOC-ish frame/fork combo from a fellow CABE'r and have been enjoying collecting parts and doing a bit of clean up and repair on it.

That being said...I would love to know: who made this thing?

The previous owner thought perhaps it might be built by Great Western Manufacturing, Co (possibly a Crown?) around 1905-1910, but that was all the info he had on it. I showed it to another fellow who thought it might be a Columbia or maybe a Cleveland.

A few pieces of info:

-The frame is lugged at the head tube only

-The head badge hole spacing is vertical @ 2 1/16"

-Forks appear to be nickel under all the rust

-Serial number appears to be: 'JI6519' although maybe that '5' is a '3'? It kind of looks like a drunk with one of those ransom note typewriters stamped it

I've attached some photos here. If anyone would like to see any additional views or specific details, let me know.

Thanks in advance for any info you might be able to provide.

 

[Goldenindian]

Same chainring. Yale?

Saw this on the davis thread. Same chainring. Im not sure but saw the picture
could send ya in the right direction. Not sure? its also has # does yours look like his?

 

[boardhoarder]

Saw this on the davis thread. Same chainring. Im not sure but saw the picture
could send ya in the right direction. Not sure? its also has # does yours look like his?

Thanks for chiming in, Goldenindian.

I haven't seen that chainring on another bike, so it's a start! Though, I would love to find some conclusive evidence on the frame itself.

And my bike does have kind of a similar serial number placement.

Hmm...anyone else have any ideas?

 

[jkent]

Not an expert but it does look to be a Davis built bike.
I know I like it and want it. Give me a shot if it ever comes up for sale.
Have you checked out the Davis thread?
JKent

 

[boardhoarder]

Not an expert but it does look to be a Davis built bike.
I know I like it and want it. Give me a shot if it ever comes up for sale.
Have you checked out the Davis thread?
JKent

Thanks for the info, JKent

Yes, after Goldenindian posted earlier, I went through the entire Davis thread. I didn't see anything that looked exactly like my bike, but I did see a few similarities.

The chain ring was the only real dead-on match, but as we know parts can be easily swapped.

Is there anything in particular on my bike (besides the chain ring) that makes you think it is a Davis built?

Oh, and I will certainly let you know if I decide to move it down the road.

 

[hoofhearted]

Is there anything in particular on my bike (besides the chain ring) that makes you think it is a Davis built?

boardhoarder ... i agree with jkent on the Davis identification.

And, each of us is looking for a genetic marker on the machine, to
conclude that this machine IS actually a Davis-Built.

Check out the fotos below. Do you see similarities in your machine ?

Am not commenting, yet, on those forward, frame-lugs .. and the
unusual wrap-around feature of the top / bottom of the headtube.

Can you find any extra numbers underneath the crankcase ?

Thanks .....

....... patric

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[sam]

I'll point out the rear fork ends(drop outs) are electro spot welded and the frame was not dip brazed as in the second bikes photo of the bottom brackets(look at all the brass on the second bike)

 

[catfish]

More fine work from the Davis built Bike Master. Patric, please write down all this info... It would make a good book.

boardhoarder ... i agree with jkent on the Davis identification.

And, each of us is looking for a genetic marker on the machine, to
conclude that this machine IS actually a Davis-Built.

Check out the fotos below. Do you see similarities in your machine ?

Am not commenting, yet, on those forward, frame-lugs .. and the
unusual wrap-around feature of the top / bottom of the headtube.

Can you find any extra numbers underneath the crankcase ?

Thanks .....

....... patric

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[boardhoarder]

Patric, Sam, and Catfish...many thanks for your replies and insight.

To address the serial number issue: I looked again this morning and don't see any additional numbers, but I think I will dig a bit deeper later today and see what I can find.

Patric, I've added some detail shots of the fork here. Hopefully, this is what you needed. Let me know if you'd like any other views, etc.

 

[hoofhearted]

Patric, please write down all this info... It would make a good book.

Catfish ... Every person who placed an entry here so far has made a worthwhile contribution
to hopefully figure-out the many mysteries in the production of these teen's bicycles.

In light of the membership's sleuthing-nature ... boardhoarder may consider asking a CABE
Administrator if this particular thread can be lifted and placed within the Show Your Davis-Built Bicycle
Thread ... as many of the Davis-Related Threads are floating around out there somewhere --- unconnected
to the mothership.

Finally ... this typer is by no means making a decree that boardhoarder's diamond-frame is a Davis-
Built. I particularly like sam's contribution that there is no evidence of "dip-brazing" at the crankcase
of this machine. There may be evidence of brass in the area of that crankcase ... we may not be able
to see it, yet ... what with oxidation and factory-grinding that often occurs. This is something that will need
to be investigated.

Excellent fotos of that fork, boardhoarder ...........


................ patric



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