Help ID this odd duck

[rustyjones]

Not exactly sure what is original, but I know the cranks/sprocket are Iver. It has no axle adjusters built into the rear dropouts so I was originally thinking Miami built, but I can't find an exact match to these dropouts. Also, the badge holes are staggered horizontaly and a New England badge fits it. Any help greatly appreciated

 

[fat tire trader]

Iver?

 

[Archie Sturmer]

The oval-shaped chain stays might be another clue; not sure who or who-all might have used that design.
(Excelsior would build bicycles that way).

What is the size of the split bottom bracket?
Is it the typical size of undersized Iver Johnson bottom brackets; did I.J. use split bottom brackets?
What is the length of the crank arms (legs)?

 

[lgrinnings]

Miami-built New England sold by JW Grady. The frame has many of the same characteristics of a Miami-built Hudson. Also, will I see you tomorrow in Seabrook?

 

[rustyjones]

The oval-shaped chain stays might be another clue; not sure who or who-all might have used that design.
(Excelsior would build bicycles that way).

What is the size of the split bottom bracket?
Is it the typical size of undersized Iver Johnson bottom brackets; did I.J. use split bottom brackets?
What is the length of the crank arms (legs)?

Cranks don't fit right, seem to not belong to this bike. 5 1/2" arms, 22t sprocket leads me to believe originally came from girls/juvenile bike. BB is about 2" outside diameter.

 

[rustyjones]

Miami-built New England sold by JW Grady. The frame has many of the same characteristics of a Miami-built Hudson. Also, will I see you tomorrow in Seabrook?

Hi Lester. Yes i was leaning Hudson also, but the dropouts are confusing me. Do you know if the Hudson badges fit the the same way as the New England badges with the staggered horizontal screw holes? And yes, I'll be at the Seabrook swap tomorfow, hope to see you there

 

[lgrinnings]

I thought the badges lined up, but I tried a Hudson badge on a New England frame and the holes didn’t match. With that said, there may be a version that matches.

 

[lgrinnings]

As far as the dropouts go… check this out…

1900 Hudson track bike | Archive (sold or withdrawn)

Well life changes and you know how that goes... first ..this sale is subject to withdrawal at anytime. It the rarest and possibly the only one in this existence original paint ...nothing has been changed or touched up. .. complete no damages and no excuses. 7500 shipped. Thanks mark..

thecabe.com

 

[ivrjhnsn]

Looks like D&J bottom bracket shell

 

[rustyjones]

As far as the dropouts go… check this out…

1900 Hudson track bike | Archive (sold or withdrawn)

Well life changes and you know how that goes... first ..this sale is subject to withdrawal at anytime. It the rarest and possibly the only one in this existence original paint ...nothing has been changed or touched up. .. complete no damages and no excuses. 7500 shipped. Thanks mark..

thecabe.com

Oh yeah, that be them!