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Hi @Wilfredo
OK. With the C5 above the A68481 ?
A little like this later one, K8 above MG154778 ?
Best Regards,
Some one in here brought me to find this inf. Wish I feel better about the finding.
But I have not find one to know how is this bike look like.
Adrian
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Hi @Wilfredo
So, you have two opinions, a possibly pre 1933 possibly Coulson, or a 1936 Westfield.
It can't be both, so how to resolve it?
I think the bike has the wrong crank.
If you can supply pictures of the serial number on the bike, this will help. The makers used different fonts and layouts, and it should be possible to tell from that.
Best Regards,
Adrian
Hi @Wilfredo
Hi @Wilfredo
thanks for the picture.
yes, there is no doubt at all that that is a Westfield made frame, dating from May 1936.member: 75221"]Hi @Wilfredo
thanks for the picture.
yes, there is no doubt at all that that is a Westfield made frame, dating from May 1936.
As I said, the frame number is very close to another bike which was identifed as a possible Mead Ranger, but never confirmed. Westfield, at this point, were making bukes for many different names, hardware stores, catalogue companies etc. so even if the numbers were sequential, it wouldn't be possible to say absolutely what model it was from just a frame (unless the head badge hole spacing was something unusual).
I agree, the Fauber ring and crank looks like it came off an earlier bike (again, these were popular, good quality items and used on a lot of early bike types).
I don't think you will ever know what it was originally, but you can build it up fairly easily as any of the Westfield models of the time (for example, an Elgin). If you want to do that, tell me here, and I'll see if I can find some good 1936 pictures of different models for you.
Best Regards,
Adrian
Hi @Wilfredo
thanks for the picture.
yes, there is no doubt at all that that is a Westfield made frame, dating from May 1936.
As I said, the frame number is very close to another bike which was identifed as a possible Mead Ranger, but never confirmed. Westfield, at this point, were making bukes for many different names, hardware stores, catalogue companies etc. so even if the numbers were sequential, it wouldn't be possible to say absolutely what model it was from just a frame (unless the head badge hole spacing was something unusual).
I agree, the Fauber ring and crank looks like it came off an earlier bike (again, these were popular, good quality items and used on a lot of early bike types).
I don't think you will ever know what it was originally, but you can build it up fairly easily as any of the Westfield models of the time (for example, an Elgin). If you want to do that, tell me here, and I'll see if I can find some good 1936 pictures of different models for you.
Best Regards,
Adrian
Hi @Wilfredo
thanks for the picture.
yes, there is no doubt at all that that is a Westfield made frame, dating from May 1936.
As I said, the frame number is very close to another bike which was identifed as a possible Mead Ranger, but never confirmed. Westfield, at this point, were making bukes for many different names, hardware stores, catalogue companies etc. so even if the numbers were sequential, it wouldn't be possible to say absolutely what model it was from just a frame (unless the head badge hole spacing was something unusual).
I agree, the Fauber ring and crank looks like it came off an earlier bike (again, these were popular, good quality items and used on a lot of early bike types).
I don't think you will ever know what it was originally, but you can build it up fairly easily as any of the Westfield models of the time (for example, an Elgin). If you want to do that, tell me here, and I'll see if I can find some good 1936 pictures of different models for you.
Best Regards,
Adrian
It looks like your "project" is starting with a mixture of parts.
In cases like these it is up to the Owner to decide which route to follow.
A refurbishment, but how much to refurb; a leave as-is or repaint, but which pieces to paint; which parts to re-use; which pieces to replace, and replace with what.
I figure that you are not planning on a 'restoration' of a catalog 1936 Mead bicycle (picture in post #6).
The frame is 1936-A Westfield, taller frame, likely for 26" balloon tires.
You indicate that the only badge to fit is Mead Ranger, so I presume that you have one and it fits.
Westfield did make bicycles for many others with the wide badge holes, (such as Shapleigh hardware stores).
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If the bike came with a Mead badge, or if you have later obtained one that fits, then I would leave it at that.
The chain ring sprocket looks like a 1920's Great Western Manufacturing product from La Porte Indiana.
GWM would have been an earlier competitor with Westfield, before closing in the 1920's.
HP Snyder, another Westfield competitor acquired some assets from GWM, not sure if they continued to make Fauber sprockets; (may have sold Crown bicycles).
The Windsor bicycle in the old picture shows an earlier Fauber Chicago 3-arm sprocket; after about WW1, GWM made sprockets in Indiana.
The older sprocket shows the crank drive pin in a different location; the newer design moved the drive pin hole to one of the 3 arms, (not in between 2 arms).
Generally, I would not choose to use a Fauber - except for my GWM projects; (even though they look kind of cool).
The "gothic" crank on the other Mead bicycle thread is called a "diamond" crank, and the "mouse ears" sprocket is a Mead part.
Mead cranks and mouse ears sprockets come up from time to time, but some A&S folks may think that they are Schwinns, and cause speculative prices.
Below is a picture of my 1932-K Westfield built Mead Ranger project, although a short-frame 28" wheel version.
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It shows again a Mead sprocket, as well as the general truss fork style of double bar drop frame models of the motorbike era.
Also, it depicts a shorter frame (like some of Adrian's linked pictures; and unlike the extra-tall Shapleigh). One way to measure the height of the frame is the conventional distance between the seat post clamp and the center of the bottom bracket; another is to observe how low the truss tube on the down tube (but might only be for style, not size); a third way is to measure the head tube. The truss tube on your frame is less than an inch from the head tube; and the head tube on your frame (which I may have referred to as tall or taller), looks more like an intermediate ~4+" head tube. When searching for a replacement 26" fork, be sure to keep that dimension in mind, (plus about 1.3" for the headset parts). The 1940's Snyder-Rollfast-Hawthorne style of springer fork looks nice, but is challenging to even assemble all together.
In the other thread, your photos of the Morrow hub with a "G" stamp may indicate a 1937 hub, but likely too that had been swapped out.