HELP WITH A '34 SNYDER MOTOBIKE BADGE

[all riders]

Yesterday I received this frame/fork in the mail from fellow member Krakatoa (shipped in a bomb-proof fashion). The first pic. shows how frame and fork arrived, mostly black. I have applied some elbow power and have exposed what I think could be og paint. Along the way I uncovered the badge holes and that got me to thinking about what to build this Snyder as. The holes are vertical and are spaced at 2 7/8 (using a great deal of the headtube). I need someone who knows badges or Snyder products or both who can point me to a badge that would have that spacing and that would have been on a Snyder--it would be great if that badge also had a proprietary (or strong association) chainring.
It seems that Excelsior would have been in their fold at this time period and some badges might have the right spread.
In the third pic, it seems that there might have been blue pins on the edges of the darts--giving the whole thing a Red, White, and Blue theme and I feel like there might have been a badge "American Ace" or similar--don't know. Your knowledge, help or thoughts will all be appreciated

 

[all riders]

Turns out that I have a Hawthorne badge with 2 7/8 spacing (on another bike), but would like to find something less common. If you know of any other snyder-builts that had 2 7/8 spacing , let's hear it. thanks

 

[Archie Sturmer]

A Snyder built at the Excelsior Michigan City Indiana factory might have sported an Excelsior red “E” head badge.
Might look good on a middle 1930’s double drop bar frame motorbike.
Reproductions are often available to the patient— and there are also some that come from Indonesia; (not sure of fit!).
And there are repro Excelsior decals — thanks in-part to a company that thought they had invented Excelsior motorbikes.

I would normally associate the taller holes Hawthorne head badges with some CWC bicycles built for Montgomery Ward.

By the middle 1930’s, the Excelsior factory no longer used its 6-points star chain ring sprocket, but instead used more typical Snyder-Harris chain ring sprockets, such as the 5+1 “H” or the 5-points star designs.
There might have also been a chain ring sprocket with 4 sweet hearts (used at hardware stores?); or a more plain looking 5-spokes/sectors design.

Picked up a balloon. Pre war this is the chainring | Classic Balloon Tire Bicycles 1933-1965

thecabe.com

There once was a “Texas Long Horn” head badge; thread # 187638; not sure about fit(?); would go well with a star sprocket.
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/187638/

Hometown Badges | General Discussion About Old Bicycles

I don't think they made any bicycles in the south. Let alone sell any. If they did WWII took them ALL. In all of the years I have been in bicycles I have only found 2 or 3 prewar bikes in Alabama. Seems they have all moved out west.

thecabe.com

 

[Freqman1]

Turns out that I have a Hawthorne badge with 2 7/8 spacing (on another bike), but would like to find something less common. If you know of any other snyder-builts that had 2 7/8 spacing , let's hear it. thanks

If you have a copy of the prewar Rollfast book it lists a lot of the badges these are found with. V/r Shawn

 

[all riders]

Thank you, both. You're right on the tall hawthorne badge(mine is on a '46 cwc) I was thinking about the 5+1 H harris ring--I've had several bikes with that ring in the past and I like the look. I associate them strongly with Rollfast but certainly, they must appear on other Snyder/Harris machines.
Shawn, I don't have a copy of that book but I'm going to start looking-seems exactly what I need--thank you

 

[Adamtinkerer]

Off the top of my head, Black Beauty, Keystone, Ben Hur, Yale, Peerless, Roamer...

 

[Freqman1]

The CABE Ebay listings but hit him directly @sm2501 and you can probably save a buck or two.
Book
https://www.ebay.com/itm/classic-ROLLFAST-Bicycle-BOOK-DP-Harris-HP-Snyder-for-antique-bikes/293791685337?hash=item4467595ad9:g:I9wAAOSwNxxfWlg5

Badges

rollfast badge | eBay

V/r Shawn

 

[Archie Sturmer]

So, it looks like you might have acquired a nice Snyder built 26” double drop bar frame from a member @Krakatoa.

Sold - Sweet Prewar SNYDER 26" Moto Ballooneer Project Frame Fork & Parts Kit! | Archive (sold or withdrawn)

Very nice start to a prewar Snyder built motorbike ballooner! Mid 1930's frame and fork plus a key parts package to get you started. This is from the transitional era and could have run a 28" high pressure or 26" balloon tire setup (not included) as shown in the mock-up pics I've just added. As...

thecabe.com

This looks like a 1935-D, and perhaps more likely to have been a western product sold by Montgomery Ward or other mid-western hardware stores?

We have also seen some others with a legacy (GWM) “America” head badge.

Great Western America | Classic Balloon Tire Bicycles 1933-1965

Nice tank bike hiding in the attic pictures are terrible....has stainless fenders. What year do you think?

thecabe.com

 

[all riders]

Thanks, yes I saw that posting and took note. I also found one on The CABE that had the right (original) paint with the blue pins on red and white-- it had a badge with what seemed could be the right spacing---it was a True Value and the model name, I believe, somehow suggested red,white, blue(patriotic) but I can't remember or find it again