Help with Elgin i.d.


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PlasticNerd

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Got this at the Oregon swap on Saturday. It’s my first Elgin and I don’t know much about them! I have an Elgin book at home somewhere!! Any help with all the details is appreciated , I can post more pics when I get home Wednesday, I know the pedals are wrong, LOL!! thanks guys, Gary
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Shawn Michael

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Oct 3, 2012
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Glad you made it up to the Swapmeet. I don't know much about those either, even though I have two similar frames. My guess is they are from 1939 to 1941. Murray was one of the two manufacturers.
Have fun, Shawn
 
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piercer_99

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Murray built, 38-40, flip it over and you can find out more. (mea culpa)

here is the similar bicycle, Fall 1940 Sears catalog, notice that in 41 they had a longer tank.

ElginBicycle1940-fall.jpg
 
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Rivnut

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Looks like a combination of different parts. Most Elgins from that era used a drop stand. Your frame is designed for one, but the fender is not. Lots of different colored parts. I looked through my "Collectible Elgin, JC Higgins, Sears, Hawthorne" book and found nothing exactly like that.
 
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PlasticNerd

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Looks like a combination of different parts. Most Elgins from that era used a drop stand. Your frame is designed for one, but the fender is not. Lots of different colored parts. I looked through my "Collectible Elgin, JC Higgins, Sears, Hawthorne" book and found nothing exactly like that.
Thanks! I’ll find my book and check it out also!!!
 

Rivnut

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It's hard to tell from the pictures of the bike but it appears that in the catalog illustrations that the Elgins from the era had the "air cooled hubs." Here's a picture of the front hub of a 39 Elgin I recently acquired.

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Just Jeff

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Doesn't look Murray to me. The rear frame tubes near the seat post are different. Looks Westfield built to me. But i'm not an expert so you may want to get more opinions on the matter
 

piercer_99

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The easiest way to distinguish them was the manufacturer decal on the seat tube.

Westfield was 501, Murray was 502.

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piercer_99

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So, the bad news is, the handlebar, the chain wheel, the chain guard, the pedals, the wheelset, the carrier and maybe the fenders are not correct for the bicycle.
 

PlasticNerd

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I knew the pedals and bars were wrong, but at least the frame is right!!! HAHAHA Lmao!!!
 

Mercian

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This is a Westfield built Elgin.
F is the letter, 1941 is the year.
There should be another date code above it, which will give you the month and year the frame was made, it will be located almost at the junction of the bottom tube to the hanger bracket..
@Mercian may know more about the bike.
@piercer_99 Thanks for the heads up. (-:

With the H9 and the F162178 visible in the above photo, yes, it's Westfield, frame made September 1941, and built up into a bike very shortly after.

Best Regards,

Adrian
 

Archie Sturmer

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In the mid-late 1930's, Sears apparently purchased from upstart Murray, as well as old man Westfield.
The bikes may have shared some features.
Sears 1938-39 elgin 1.jpg

An earlier 1938 ad (straight tubes) above shows the Westfield triangle (versus yoke), yet a chain ring often categorized as Murray.
 
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