htartaglia
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Good afternoon, I am needing help to get closer to the identification of this bicycle. Whoever sells it says it's a Peugeot, but I have doubts about the type of lugs. Any ideas? Thank you so much
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juvela
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
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wrt lugs -
the frame is constructed with Agrati lug pattern "BRIANZA"
the stock number for the lug set as a group is ART. 000.8036/U
the uppder head lug is N. 000.8034
the lower head lug is N. 000.8033
the seat lug is N. 022.8039
the fork crown is N. 000.8038
bottom bracket shell (not clear in photos) for the ensemble is N. 000.8507
dropouts are likely to be Agrati item N. 0000.8002
fork ends are likely to be Agrati item N. 000.8010
one possible manufacturer for the machine is the firm of Torresini whose best known marque is Torpado
however, this lug pattern was widely employed by quite a good number of Italian manufacturers
date appears to be 1960's era
might be able to give additional information with further images made in stronger illumination...
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wrt lugs -
the frame is constructed with Agrati lug pattern "BRIANZA"
the stock number for the lug set as a group is ART. 000.8036/U
the uppder head lug is N. 000.8034
the lower head lug is N. 000.8033
the seat lug is N. 022.8039
the fork crown is N. 000.8038
bottom bracket shell (not clear in photos) for the ensemble is N. 000.8507
dropouts are likely to be Agrati item N. 0000.8002
fork ends are likely to be Agrati item N. 000.8010
one possible manufacturer for the machine is the firm of Torresini whose best known marque is Torpado
however, this lug pattern was widely employed by quite a good number of Italian manufacturers
date appears to be 1960's era
might be able to give additional information with further images made in stronger illumination...
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htartaglia
On Training Wheels
First of all, thank you for your quick and clear response. You have been a great help, and with your information we will advance in the identification of this bicycle. As soon as I can (since it's not in my city) I'll take better pictures of her. Thank you very much again, best regards, Humberto Tartaglia
juvela
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
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addendum -
thread of steerer and bottom bracket is Italian
diameter of seat tube and down tube is 28.6mm
diameter ot top tube and steerer is 25.4mm
stem diameter is 22.2mm
saddle pillar size will be between 25.0mm & 26.0mm
OEM frame spacing 120mm rear & 100mm front
should you wish to check on possibility frame manufactured by Torresini you can look for serial
at this time the company placed serials on the side of the seat tube about five cm below the seat lug
they commence with a triangular symbol:
the first two numerals indicate the year of manufacture
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addendum -
thread of steerer and bottom bracket is Italian
diameter of seat tube and down tube is 28.6mm
diameter ot top tube and steerer is 25.4mm
stem diameter is 22.2mm
saddle pillar size will be between 25.0mm & 26.0mm
OEM frame spacing 120mm rear & 100mm front
should you wish to check on possibility frame manufactured by Torresini you can look for serial
at this time the company placed serials on the side of the seat tube about five cm below the seat lug
they commence with a triangular symbol:
the first two numerals indicate the year of manufacture
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htartaglia
On Training Wheels
Really, I did not expect to get so much information and in so much detail! But you have exceeded all my most optimistic expectations!!
Jesper
Wore out three sets of tires already!
Agree with @juvela on this; definitely an Italian marque. Perchance with the careful removal of the paint (appears to be a repaint) some previous mark of identity will be exposed. If the brake levers are original it would put the bike into the early to mid 70s range given the secondary extension levers ('73 at the earliest?) (am I interpreting the photo correctly?). My latest frame with similar lugs (I would have to look and compare it to the bike in question) is a '69 Lygie. I'm not sure how much longer they used those lugs into the 70s (although it could have been a using up old stock issue by that time).
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