Help with year identification


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obbeachlover

On Training Wheels
Sep 17, 2019
3
0
45
San Diego, CA
#1
My dad found this schwinn in its original form but ended up stripping the paint & cutting down the seat post to make the frame shorter for my mother the seat & other parts are original but I can't locate the serial number in the logical places (neck, bottom of crank or rear) - any thoughts
I'm bummed he modified the frame & repainted it but would like to know its vintage

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gkeep

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Jun 11, 2014
593
1,206
Alameda, CA
#2
if its 1952 or later the serial should be on left rear dropout, maybe under paint. before 52 under bottom bracket. maybe he filled and sanded smooth before painting covering stamped numbers.
 

obbeachlover

On Training Wheels
Sep 17, 2019
3
0
45
San Diego, CA
#3
if its 1952 or later the serial should be on left rear dropout, maybe under paint. before 52 under bottom bracket. maybe he filled and sanded smooth before painting covering stamped numbers.
It’s not in any of those locations- he said he didn’t file anything wondering if there’s a chance it’s pre-war? We’re any stamped with the number on the seat post housing?
 

GTs58

I'm the Wiz, and nobody beats me!
Sep 2, 2012
10,652
9,467
Central Arizona
#5
Looks like it might be the last year for the Schmurray. Head tube and bottom bracket joints are not Chicago Schwinn. Serial # should be on the head tube.
 

Jeff54

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Sep 11, 2013
2,189
966
Ft Myers, Florida
#6
Looks like it might be the last year for the Schmurray. Head tube and bottom bracket joints are not Chicago Schwinn. Serial # should be on the head tube.
My dad found this schwinn in its original form but ended up stripping the paint & cutting down the seat post to make the frame shorter for my mother the seat & other parts are original but I can't locate the serial number in the logical places (neck, bottom of crank or rear) - any thoughts
I'm bummed he modified the frame & repainted it but would like to know its vintage

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That's a late 50's too 80's Schwinn girl frame, and likely mid 60's. Presuming parts are original to bike, right about 1965. I don't see any modifications on frame but your photos aren't profiling the bike very well.

For the chain guard, chrome fenders and rack it probably an American or Hollywood deluxe, maybe a jag or corvette but it's no longer of importance, originality is gone. . And he either cut off the tank hangers from top bar or was not issued with slime line tank. Your serial number is on the drop out and if you can't see it then B/C he's got some thick paint on the bike. Yet not very important B/C these girl bikes have little collectible value and once painted even less.

Older girl frames than yours had a cross bar in-between the two, top and bottom bars. Yet as Schwinn used same frame and parts ,once you arrive at exact date, which girl bikes were availed then you can get decals and call it what ya want, B/C the main difference was which ever name Schwinn put on the chain guard.
 
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GTs58

I'm the Wiz, and nobody beats me!
Sep 2, 2012
10,652
9,467
Central Arizona
#8
That's a late 50's too 80's Schwinn girl frame, and likely mid 60's. Presuming parts are original to bike, right about 1965. I don't see any modifications on frame but your photos aren't profiling the bike very well.

For the chain guard, chrome fenders and rack it probably an American or Hollywood deluxe, maybe a jag or corvette but it's no longer of importance, originality is gone. . And he either cut off the tank hangers from top bar or was not issued with slime line tank. Your serial number is on the drop out and if you can't see it then B/C he's got some thick paint on the bike. Yet not very important B/C these girl bikes have little collectible value and once painted even less.

Older girl frames than yours had a cross bar in-between the two, top and bottom bars. Yet as Schwinn used same frame and parts ,once you arrive at exact date, which girl bikes were availed then you can get decals and call it what ya want, B/C the main difference was which ever name Schwinn put on the chain guard.

Just look at the down tube and seat tube joints at the bottom bracket. Then look at the tube to head tube joints, this frame is not a Chicago Schwinn.
 

Rivnut

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Nov 24, 2012
905
655
Shawnee, United States
#9
The chain guard was new in '59. No one has noticed the rat trap front rack mounted on the back? The rear rack with built in reflectors is mid 60's, but the clover leaf chain ring pedates the "mag wheel" chain ring from 1969. I'm guessing a 64 or 65 Deluxe Starlet missing the tank.

My bets say the serial number is on the left rear drop out covered with thick paint.
 

Archie Sturmer

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Jun 13, 2018
877
782
Los Angeles, CA, USA
#10
Looks like the rat-trap rack should be mounted in front, not in rear; an additional bracket would connect fasten it to the head tube.
 

Scout Evans

Look Ma, No Hands!
Mar 4, 2017
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166
62
#11
Forks look like Worksman. I'll agree with early to mid 60's bike. The red band Bendix hub reinforces that idea. The cranks may have a 2 digit date code.
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Oilit

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Dec 30, 2015
748
609
Concord NC
#12
Maybe it's the camera angle, but the seat stays look bent. Can we get some better pictures? Square to the frame.
 

Jeff54

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Sep 11, 2013
2,189
966
Ft Myers, Florida
#13
Just look at the down tube and seat tube joints at the bottom bracket. Then look at the tube to head tube joints, this frame is not a Chicago Schwinn.
Indeed, prob good idea to actually own a 60's girl bike GT. In the 50's middleweight had smooth Joint to seat tube, like it's brazed. and thicker bottom bracket . but, by the 60's it's butted onto the Seat tube. The BB is refined, redesigned, all molded. The rear stays are butted into the preformed BB. Butted end of pipe , tapered flat ends, electro welded without preformed smooth or ground smooth connections. ringed male (Pipe ) too female BB slots. appearance of female ends on each rear stay, yet ringed male to BB and tapered end on seat tube., Just as this bike has. And on the boys, although tighter, top bar to seat tube.

The 84 SchwiMurray didn't use Schwinn's Old Pre 84 standard, fully molded Bottom Bracket. Or rather as Schwinn called it, verses BB, Schwinn lists this as the "Hanger" bracket.

The 84 rear stay, Murray's, detectible from underside of BB ,, yet from any angle >> no rear stay ringed tube ends where connected to the BB.Not sure whick year made but potentially the 60's hanger. Posted not long ago here: https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/schwinn-display-bottom-bracket.151127/

The Major difference on 84 Schwinn frame, built by Murray is, this type of molded BB was not used. [wink]



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