ID old Track Iron

[Jeff N]

Hi group,

I am starting to research a frame I have. No badge holes, no serial number, no markings ar stamping of any kind. The frame has unique reinforced dropouts, and fluted fork tubes appear to be made using chain stay tubes.

The fame has a nickel plated BSA headset, and a CCM crank...I have an opinion but would like to know if any of you have seen these details before.

Thanks in advance!

 

[juvela]

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Thanks very much for posting this interesting find!

We are certainly in the UK, or UK heritage land here.

Would expect the integral headset to be either Brampton or Thomas D. Cross & Sons Ltd. Edit - oops, see you write headset BSA. Note to self -"read post first."

Dimpled blades are not recessarily repurposed chainstays.

Blades were produced with these dimples.

One manufacturer who continued to use them until surprisingly late (~1970) on road models was Styria (Steyr/Puch) of Graz, Austria. Do not wish to assert it a connection, mention only as an example.

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[fat tire trader]

Since it has a CCM crank, I would think it might be a CCM. It looks like it has badge holes. Can you show them better and measure how far apart they are? Does it have a serial number?
You can see a list of ccm numbers here http://www.fattiretrading.com/ccmredbird.html
Also, look here https://www.vintageccm.com/forum

 

[ccmerz]

The frame is not a CCM

 

[ccmerz]

Appelhans is the frame maker

 

[Jeff N]

Appelhans is the frame maker

That’s what think too, however there are no head badge holes.

 

[Jeff N]

Since it has a CCM crank, I would think it might be a CCM. It looks like it has badge holes. Can you show them better and measure how far apart they are? Does it have a serial number?
You can see a list of ccm numbers here http://www.fattiretrading.com/ccmredbird.html
Also, look here https://www.vintageccm.com/forum

I considered CCM, but am pretty sure it is not. To me it most resembles an Appelhans. the frame does not have badge holes.

 

[Jeff N]

That’s what think too, however there are no head badge holes.

I don’t suppose you would have a CCM chainring for my crankset?
Thanks.

 

[Cbgimse]

Not sure if this bolt pattern is correct. https://www.hoopriderparts.com/product/ccm cottered right crank 40s flyer

 

[Jeff N]

Not sure if this bolt pattern is correct. https://www.hoopriderparts.com/product/ccm cottered right crank 40s flyer

That’s the one! Thank you for the tip. Is this yours?