I'm Stuck - Requesting help on Elgin/Musselman rear Hub

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Buster1

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Oct 23, 2011
856
Las Vegas
Doug, you're a lifesaver.

Two of my retainers are the "finger" kind (see pics above, with the sprocket). The one in question is a solid ring with circular holes in it (reminds me of a UFO) ...BL they are different.
The one in question holds 10 bearings
The retainer on the sprocket has 10, the small one has 8 (see pics above).
Why not use the old bearings and retainer, they look fine.

I will see about trying w/o the retainer and getting some new bearings.
 

dougfisk

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jun 24, 2008
3,040
under a rock
Doug, you're a lifesaver.

Two of my retainers are the "finger" kind (see pics above, with the sprocket). The one in question is a solid ring with circular holes in it (reminds me of a UFO) ...BL they are different.
The one in question holds 10 bearings
The retainer on the sprocket has 10, the small one has 8 (see pics above).
Why not use the old bearings and retainer, they look fine.

I will see about trying w/o the retainer and getting some new bearings.
Interesting, non of your retainers are the same as mine. But I'll bet that 1/4 in balls is constant throughout.. I guess I didn't understand how the bearings could look fine given the look of that race and the noises you were hearing. Are they 1/4 in? If they are undamaged, of course you can use them. But you'll want more with no retainer. Use as many as will fit, leaving a space less than 1 more. I like to replace all at once because of possible production tolerance variations.
 

Buster1

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Oct 23, 2011
856
Las Vegas
Update:

So I was able to find a retainer and bearing set that is very slightly smaller than the one in question. Well, it fit right in the race and the bearings were rolling in the groove. It also fit perfectly in the hub cone! Yes!

It now rolls as good as ever and makes no noise! I think that was it!

Thanks everyone for helping work me through this!

My only remaining question is that the braking action is a little "soft." Did I over-grease some internal part?

Nate / Buster
 

dougfisk

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jun 24, 2008
3,040
under a rock
Update:

My only remaining question is that the braking action is a little "soft." Did I over-grease some internal part?

Nate / Buster
I do not believe that Musselman specifies any special lube procedure as does ND. I suggest you ride it for a while. I have seen some brakes improve with use. If that does not work we can discuss other alternatives.
 
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Buster1

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Oct 23, 2011
856
Las Vegas
Thanks. The whole thing was lubed when I disassembled it. Every square inch. I cleaned it all up and applied fresh bike bearing grease everywhere. Seems to be that the "brake pad" in there needs to be greased for friction and metal grinding protection, yet that grease also hinders stopping capability too.
 

Buster1

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Oct 23, 2011
856
Las Vegas
3 miles today on her, up and down some small hills. The braking action seems to be improved a little.
 

Imsohawthorney

'Lil Knee Scuffer
Feb 23, 2013
24
as doug said ................. on that note , i just rebuilt a model m , and with no retainer it seems 13 balls is max and good . ron...........also a common mistake is to re assemble the hub backwards . i have done it with lots of confusion because it wont go together! make sure the cog is on the (short) side of the hub, not the side of the hub with the extended side. allways examine pictures closley
 
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