Important Discussion for Newcomers to the Hobby


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Jay81

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Apr 26, 2015
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Roseville MI
Yes Vincev....you are absolutely correct!

I have the 95th Anniversary Schwinn Black Phantom. It still has the “original" colors, tires and saddle
in the sense that this was made by the factory.
That it is a “reproduction” is something else.

Although I cannot restore mine because the Schwinn store went out of business. ;)
The reproduction phantoms were made in A factory, not THE factory.
Hence the "reproduction" status.
However if it still has all it's parts that it came with, we could call it an "original reproduction" :D
 

2jakes

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Sep 1, 2010
6,562
4,516
Elysium Fields
The reproduction phantoms were made in A factory, not THE factory.
Hence the "reproduction" status.
However if it still has all it's parts that it came with, we could call it an "original reproduction" :D
Meaning....THE factory in ‘CHICAGO’ !:D
 
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tryder

Finally riding a big boys bike
May 12, 2014
324
668
San Anselmo, CA
.....Especially when the candidates are super rough candidates which only suggest one direction.
I've become more lenient over the years as to what condition a leave it alone "survivor" should be....
maybe dropping from grade 6-7 to 5
I usually end up with a 4-6 and have been quite happy with even lower after a few beers...
 
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Bikermaniac

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Feb 17, 2011
3,239
2,570
Miami, FL
If you own a bike you can do whatever you want with it, repaint it, re-brand it, re-chrome it, chop it, modify it, what ever makes you happy, but in my opinion an all original bicycle is more "valuable" than a restored one
There's only a few restored bicycles that worth almost the same as an original, but that not will not apply to every bicycle, so be careful what you do with your bike...and one more thing, if you publish your projects in a public forum, be prepared for all kind of comments, some on favor and others not so much.
 

bobcycles

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Sep 30, 2006
3,101
3,361
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so cal beaches
I think bikes that have undergone a thorough and accurate as humanly possible restorations should be regarded more
as art than a 'bike'. NOS tires etc.... keep em that way...hang the bike on a wall. A old friend and serious avid
collector up in Seattle had 1 or 2 mounted beautifully on the wall of his living room... 3D art! Totally eye popping
to be able to see something vintage restored shiny and new and at eye level makes even more of an impact.
One would think that with the cost of restorations and the value of the bikes restored at high quality levels
would ensure preservation.....handled like art and surviving as fine art survives through future generations.

Don't get me wrong, I believe killer originals or rare examples in any condition should be treated the same
way pretty much...but you have a little more freedom or leeway if there are nicks and scratches, patina etc when
you are handling original unrestored bikes.
 

cyclingday

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Feb 24, 2008
5,064
12,972
Costa Mesa, California. United States
Very true, Bob.
But, I looked at the before and after pictures of your magnificently restored 1941 Super Deluxe Henderson, and I marveled at how that original condition bike got from starting out its existence in the pristine shape of your restoration, and ended up in the heavily patina'd state that you found it in.
I'm sure that none of those scratches, dents and dings were intentional.
That represented a lot of individual incidents that occurred over a long period of time, to accumulate the distressed condition that bike was found in.
How did it get that way?
If they had only known, they would've taken better care of their bike.
 

bobcycles

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Sep 30, 2006
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Very true, Bob.
But, I looked at the before and after pictures of your magnificently restored 1941 Super Deluxe Henderson, and I marveled at how that original condition bike got from starting out its existence in the pristine shape of your restoration, and ended up in the heavily patina'd state that you found it in.
I'm sure that none of those scratches, dents and dings were intentional.
That represented a lot of individual incidents that occurred over a long period of time, to accumulate the distressed condition that bike was found in.
How did it get that way?
If they had only known, they would've taken better care of their bike.

my guess is they rode it like I ride...

lots of bunny hops, ghost rides, curb slams, no kickstand throw downs.... ... and drunken incidents between me, my bike, and road raging brawling motorists where the bike can serve as a shield for
the items hurled or shot at me!

just a guess....
 

2jakes

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Sep 1, 2010
6,562
4,516
Elysium Fields
I think we can compare a so called "restored" bike to a woman who has had implants,facelifts,dyed hair,fake eyelashes,etc. She may be fun to ride and gets a lot of looks but underneath its the same old lady.
A lovely restoration!
63 year old Christie Brinkley and hers daughters on each side.
1280_brinkley-family_zps40utxsza.jpg

And she can also walk on water. :rolleyes:
 
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charnleybob

Wore out three sets of tires already!
May 30, 2009
853
1,216
Omaha, United States
The elephant in the room, that new collectors may be unaware of, are restorations that get distressed to look like original patina.
There are some experts in this hobby that make it hard to figure out if it's real or not.
I like good restorations and I like condition "what happened to this bike?"
All depends on the bike.
If you are new to this hobby, here's a clue, don't buy everything that rolls, buy a nice rider and think twice before sinking deep money in your projects.
 

Eddieman

Look Ma, No Hands!
Oct 25, 2009
54
75
USA
The elephant in the room, that new collectors may be unaware of, are restorations that get distressed to look like original patina.
There are some experts in this hobby that make it hard to figure out if it's real or not.
I like good restorations and I like condition "what happened to this bike?"
All depends on the bike.
If you are new to this hobby, here's a clue, don't buy everything that rolls, buy a nice rider and think twice before sinking deep money in your projects.
Agreed, buy what you like and do with it what you want.
 

mazdaflyer

Finally riding a big boys bike
Feb 16, 2010
340
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Mid-West
Came in on this late. I’ve retro modded, ratted, customized, parted and “restored” some bikes. I’ve never acquired a bike as nice like the first one pictured in this thread. But even I would have left it original. The ones I’ve molested have been rusty partial bikes to start with. I would loved to have found the topic of discussion bike.


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2jakes

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Sep 1, 2010
6,562
4,516
Elysium Fields
I'm glad this is being discussed . No one has the right to tell another person what they can do with their own property. Just because you choose to do certain things with your bikes doesn't mean it's the only or right way. Please respect others rights to do as they please, even if you don't agree with it. In the immortal words of Rodney King ;
"Why can't we all just get along ".
The moment a bike is posted on a
public forum which is opened to everyone.

Expect to get different comments and opinions.

Some may be positive or informative.
Others will be negative.



Block option is a wonderful tool!

P.S.
There was a time when bicycle newsletters was the only way to
show or keep in touch with
the world of bicycles from the past.
I don't recall any issues like today.
 
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ZE52414

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Dec 6, 2016
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Not to bring this page up again, but I had a serious question. Thoughts on this 35 DD would a restoration hurt or help this bike? Cause I’m about a couple of days away from taking it down to bare metal. And would sandblasting hurt the bike/tank? Thanks for any thoughts.
 

Autocycleplane

I live for the CABE
Jan 6, 2010
1,525
3,657
NorCal, United States
View attachment 817244 View attachment 817245 View attachment 817247 Not to bring this page up again, but I had a serious question. Thoughts on this 35 DD would a restoration hurt or help this bike? Cause I’m about a couple of days away from taking it down to bare metal. And would sandblasting hurt the bike/tank? Thanks for any thoughts.
Unless you are willing to be upside down on the value of the bike to do a real restoration and not a mediocre refurb don’t bother. The worst thing you could do for the value and soul of that bicycle would be to strip it and then bail on the proper resto.

Why the rush? Spend a little time with it and decide what’s best for you. Shop around for proper paint and chrome prices in the meantime and use that information to make a better decision.

My $.02 since you asked.
 

fattyre

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Oct 22, 2014
577
784
Chicago Suburbs
Unless you are willing to be upside down on the value of the bike to do a real restoration and not a mediocre refurb don’t bother. The worst thing you could do for the value and soul of that bicycle would be to strip it and then bail on the proper resto.

Why the rush? Spend a little time with it and decide what’s best for you. Shop around for proper paint and chrome prices in the meantime and use that information to make a better decision.

My $.02 since you asked.

Second that. Especially the patience part. Been there and still have regrets about my fast decisions and mediocre results. Unless you are willing to go all in, you'll probably just mess up a bike that someone else really wants all while possibly decreasing the value & sell-ability. Look how many restored bikes sit and sit without a buyer. Very few bikes are "forever" bikes with most collectors.

Plus I think that bike has a pretty killer look to it as is. New rubber & leather and I be ecstatic to own that.
 

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