Is it a Pierce Kramer ... Iver Johnson or something else?

[Oslerblue]

Hi There ... a new member but wanting to see if anyone has any ideas or insight. Picked up this old track racer the other day and I'm trying to figure out what make.

 

[Freqman1]

I vote something else. The headset cups look like late teens Westfield but the frame and fork don't look Westfield. Foreign manufacture? V/r Shawn

 

[bikejunk]

Dayton cups - I'm thrown by the BB casting

 

[dubsey55]

Frame might be Westfield. There were Indian frames made like that, probably Westfield built w/,(BSA) fittings. Fork probably changed? Bottom bracket definately BSA. Interesting,,,

 

[Mercian]

Hi All,

the serial number looks Westfield'esque to me, with their standard serifed 1 and a small serifed E indicating 1914.

See @redline1968 's Chinook serial in post 14 here for a comparison.

Odd duck, Chinook from portland OR | Antique Bicycles Pre-1933 Hi, @Rustngrease I'm trying to sort out these very early serial numbers, but there are so few dateable examples, that I am still reluctant to give definate answers. However, since 1918 bikes are J, this could be 1911 or 1912, depending on whether I was missed out of the sequence. I suspect... thecabe.com

When the E was next used for dating in 1927, it was the same size as the numbers, and a sans serif font.

Best Regards,

Adrian

 

[locomotion]

where you from and where did you find it? might help pinpoint
rear rim looks like Canadian Dunlop clincher (like CCM used), front rim looks completely different,
frame not CCM
any marking on the rear hub? Hercules?
what is the front hub?
any badge holes?

some parts look chrome plated, some look nickle plated ....... difficult to tell from the pics

 

[Oslerblue]

where you from and where did you find it? might help pinpoint
rear rim looks like Canadian Dunlop clincher (like CCM used), front rim looks completely different,
frame not CCM
any marking on the rear hub? Hercules?
what is the front hub?
any badge holes?

some parts look chrome plated, some look nickle plated ....... difficult to tell from the pics

I'm in the Toronto area and picked this up from a fellow in Hamilton. Will check for markings on the rear hub etc and let you know. Thanks

 

[Oslerblue]

I'm in the Toronto area and picked this up from a fellow in Hamilton. Will check for markings on the rear hub etc and let you know. Thanks

Just starting to clean up the rear hub to look for markings and found these ...

 

[Oslerblue]

Just starting to clean up the rear hub to look for markings and found these ...

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Thinking the rear wheel is not original especially with that hub. The front wheel on the other hand upon a very quick cleaning of the rim is looking like it could well be original. Going to remove the spokes and clean up the hub to see what if anything that might reveal.

 

[locomotion]

Just starting to clean up the rear hub to look for markings and found these ...

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yes, it looked like a Hercules/New Hercules/CCM 37 rear hub, and it's definitely not the original rear wheel and hub, the rear hub is missing some parts, most notably the brake arm

that is one nice front rim, the paint scheme is beautiful,