Iver johnson? From the teens to earley twenties! CAN U ID IT? Phil to save the day???

[charlestlangjahr]

:eek: Not sure if this is an Iver johnson, Harley, Indian... Please help me identify this bike. It's from the late teens to early twenties from what I gather. Where is the serial number (under bottom bracket, side of head tube, rear frame fork end) and how to identify what the make totally eludes me. Hopefully someone out there is a wealth of knowledge of bikes from this vintage. It will be an antique in like 10 years! Phil Marshall if your out there please help! :eek:

Thank you for your help
-Tomlangjahr (Tacoma, WA Skid Kings!!!)

 

[bbcbikes]

not an iver, harley, or an indian...

 

[charlestlangjahr]

Could it be a Ben Hur? How would you find out if this was yopur bike? I'm lost and no one seems to know!?