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GregG

'Lil Knee Scuffer
Jul 10, 2017
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Chicago
#82
Fool-proof wheel building method:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html

Helpful and informative links:
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/wheels.html

Has there yet been any scientific testing that proves interlacing spokes is of any structural benefit?

An interesting bit of info about the history of tying and soldering:
http://yarchive.net/bike/tying-and-soldering.html
15-20 years ago, I got into a discussion with Jobst Brandt on Usenet regarding the history of tying and soldering. I found myself in a discussion regarding tying and soldering and was interested in learning if perhaps tying and soldering was an old-school method of interlacing that died after interlacing became the norm. If memory serves, Jobst made it well known he was not a fan of the practice. and he reported that he had spent many hours in the lab measuring lateral deflection on all types of setups, including interlacing and tying / soldering. His findings were that interlacing did reduce the amount of lateral deflection, while tying / soldering did little to justify the practice. I don't have any archive or recall what group that was on to recall how much it actually reduced lateral deflection. In practice, I lace my old Schwinn bombproof 26" steel rims without interlacing, and interlace all my new skinny aluminum 700c / 27" rims, and have had good luck both ways.
 

Pauliemon

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 22, 2009
346
620
Sacramento, California
#83
Interesting post. Try Sheldon Brown. His wheel building method seems to be the easiest. Always start your first spoke next to the valve hole. After lacing the first set rotate the hub away from the valve hole. This will insure that your valve stem will be between crosses. Try to get your spoke tensions equal. Tapping the spokes for equal sound is one way to get them equal. I'm half deaf so i use a tension meter. Although its not as critical on old or crusier bikes where speed or rough terrain are not a factor. Equal tension will keep it out of the truing stand after riding.
 

SKPC

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Feb 2, 2018
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5,610
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Utah - United States
#89
I love wheels more than women, because I can true them if they get bent out of shape. Just built another "rider" set up recently for my 1933 Flyer (below) when it is not shod in its original wheels. My 2-cents here is just do it as much as you can, because the more you build wheels, the better they generally get.....I am not sure there is any right or wrong way, but the more you do it, the more you tend to spend more money building light weight setups. Light weight women aren't bad either. Faster..

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falconer

Finally riding a big boys bike
Aug 13, 2017
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Frankfort, IL, United States
#91
When you start the second side, does it matter which hole you choose? seems like it would. Im doing a wheel now
 

falconer

Finally riding a big boys bike
Aug 13, 2017
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50
68
Frankfort, IL, United States
#92
When you start the second side, you cant just pick any hole though. You have 50-50 chance of getting it right. think about it...
 

Sven

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Dec 24, 2017
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Mechanicsville, MD, United States
#94
Who laced the drop center wheels for Murray built bicycles? I guess this is a drop center rim.
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I believe the correct method is over, over, under for a cross 3 pattern.
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I have two sets of these wheels..all of them are laced this way. Was this a common practice ?
 

Barnegatbicycles

Finally riding a big boys bike
Jul 29, 2012
102
70
Barnegat Nj
#95
Who laced the drop center wheels for Murray built bicycles? I guess this is a drop center rim. View attachment 982734
I believe the correct method is over, over, under for a cross 3 pattern.
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I have two sets of these wheels..all of them are laced this way. Was this a common practice ?
The placement of the valve hole in the pattern is wrong, it makes it harder to get at. However on a lot of bikes 50s and before, (could be even later), the spoke patterns are under under under. Modern stuff is all under under over but idk when the change was.
 

Sven

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Dec 24, 2017
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Mechanicsville, MD, United States
#96
The placement of the valve hole in the pattern is wrong, it makes it harder to get at. However on a lot of bikes 50s and before, (could be even later), the spoke patterns are under under under. Modern stuff is all under under over but idk when the change was.
okay , thanks for the insight.
 

Pauliemon

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 22, 2009
346
620
Sacramento, California
#97
Who laced the drop center wheels for Murray built bicycles? I guess this is a drop center rim. View attachment 982734
I believe the correct method is over, over, under for a cross 3 pattern.
View attachment 982735 View attachment 982736
I have two sets of these wheels..all of them are laced this way. Was this a common practice ?
They're machine built. Old school machine built didn't have a under cross (it's over, over, under). Modern machine built have a under cross. The other way to tell if wheels are machine built is they laced identical. That's because the machine inserts spokes on both flanges then flips it over and inserts the other spokes. Hand built are built mirror. The spokes are inserted one side of a flange then flipped over and inserted on the other flange.
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Identical
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Mirror
Hope this helps.
 
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Sven

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Dec 24, 2017
2,308
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Mechanicsville, MD, United States
#98
They're machine built. Old school machine built didn't have a under cross (it's over, over, under). Modern machine built have a under cross. The other way to tell if wheels are machine built is they laced identical. That's because the machine inserts spokes on both flanges then flips it over and inserts the other spokes. Hand built are built mirror. The spokes are inserted one side of a flange then flipped over and inserted on the other flange.
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Identical
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Mirror
Hope this helps.
Thanks for the info.
 
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Santee

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 23, 2010
131
105
So. Cal
All this information was very helpful. I laced a front wheel using a New Departure hub I bought at an Estate sale for 2 dollars. Tomorrow I will attempt laci
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ng the rear coaster brake hub.
 

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