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Since there are no signs of chain guard brackets or built in kickstands I'd say those J serial numbers were in between 41 and 46. Note the EF bottom bracket shell that became common on the post war frames. Definitely war time bikes IMO.
As indicated in my first post, these are not my interest, it was a spur of the moment decision to buy. I'm going to put both in the for sale section for what I paid for them, $100 each. If that doesn't garner any interest I will part them out.
Thanks for the responses here, I appreciate all.
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