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Since there are no signs of chain guard brackets or built in kickstands I'd say those J serial numbers were in between 41 and 46. Note the EF bottom bracket shell that became common on the post war frames. Definitely war time bikes IMO.
 
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As indicated in my first post, these are not my interest, it was a spur of the moment decision to buy. I'm going to put both in the for sale section for what I paid for them, $100 each. If that doesn't garner any interest I will part them out.
Thanks for the responses here, I appreciate all.
 
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