Looking for help in identifying bike from 1935....

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bbell98138

'Lil Knee Scuffer
May 18, 2020
17
61
St. Petersburg, FL
When my dad died in 1993 I took ownership of a bicycle of his that he had kept his entire life.
He repainted it when he retired in 1987 but it’s in very rough shape and I’d like to return it to some semblance of its former glory.
I do know that he bought it when he was 10 years old (1935, probably with his own money).
They were country folks so I always assumed he ordered it from the Sears catalog, but that may not be correct. Additionally I always remembered it has being a garbage can grey, but my dad repainted it red and white in 87 and I think I’m seeing some bright red original paint.
I have access to old Sears catalogs and it kind of looks like a Sears/Elgin Oriole except the kickstand is different. I know the bike once had a crossbar on the handlebars that is now missing, but I don’t think it ever had a chain guard or other accessories like light or tank, etc. Recently I saw a picture of a Shapleigh Rugby which actually looks as much or more similar to this bike than the Oriole does.
I believe the serial number is 5D3099 (see picture), but unfortunately the badge is missing from the front.

I've been so impressed by reading through the forums on this site I was hopeful that someone could help me identify it.
Thank you!

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bbell98138

'Lil Knee Scuffer
May 18, 2020
17
61
St. Petersburg, FL
Thank you for the lead, I'll try researching into Colson. I'm certain however that the fenders are the originals and equally as certain that the pedals are not.
The kickstand I'm not sure about as he might have replaced that before my time.
Thanks again.
 

The Carolina Rambler

Finally riding a big boys bike
Nov 25, 2018
131
23
North Carolina
I would have to agree with SKPC, I think you have a Colson. The front fork and the chainring are the tell tale signs. Yours could have been a Flyer, a Rover, which are the most commen, or it could have been a number of other badges. A lot of it has to do with the position of the badge mounting holes. I think everything you have there is original to it except for your pedals, kik stand, and the paint of course. You might also appear to have 2 different rims on you bike, both are period to the 1930s. A lot of the Colsons they built at that time were of a paint scheme similar to that which your father gave it. I have also seen red and black, and usually with 2 bands of color on the fenders. Also often with golden pinstripes between the colors. If you look at my profile image, I have a 1935 Colson Rover I restored, possibly the same model as yours but with a number of accessories installed. Mine also has the New Departure Model D brake like yours has. That might help give you some ideas with your bike's restoration. The biggest thing to be sure of is to have fun and relive the memories!
 

The Carolina Rambler

Finally riding a big boys bike
Nov 25, 2018
131
23
North Carolina
Thank you!!!!!!
Here is a link to the post I did on this bike. Although the paint colors I chose may or may not have been ones used by the Colson Company, they're not too far from it, but the patterns of the paint used I think is accurate. Colson used a good many different variations in paints on these earlier models, so you have a good deal of choices to decide on.


Another good thing to try is simply googling pictures of these early colsons, and you can see those owned by others, many of which do have original good paint!
 
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Rivnut

I live for the CABE
Nov 24, 2012
1,396
Shawnee, United States
I wonder if the wheels were originally 28" as well. Might have been easier to switch to 26" wheels and tires than to find 28" tires. Your bike shows a lot of space between the tire and fender when compared to the bikes posted. A dropstand and clip shouldn't be too difficult to find.
 
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bbell98138

'Lil Knee Scuffer
May 18, 2020
17
61
St. Petersburg, FL
Thanks for the comment, I think you may be right.
You guys are an astute bunch. :)
Thank you.
 

bbell98138

'Lil Knee Scuffer
May 18, 2020
17
61
St. Petersburg, FL
Training wheels back again. Earlier in this thread it was suggested that my original wheels may have been replaced with 26" ones which is a very real possibility. I doubt my Dad would have built the wheels so I'm assuming the time period of the New Departure Model D hub will help me determine an approximate year of the rear wheel at least. And while I've seen a lot of posts on the subject my window seems to be a very large one (between 1933-1950s).
It appears to be nickel plated, is 36 hole with a 10 tooth sprocket. Also has the lube fitting.
Can anyone help me zero in a little closer on a date?
Thank you

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SKPC

I live for the CABE
Feb 2, 2018
1,477
63
Utah - United States
April, or "D" of 1935; "5" .. Looks like a lot of repaints to cut through if looking for original color if any left. Truss rods should be metal and not painted you could start there after tuning it up and getting it riding again..
 

bbell98138

'Lil Knee Scuffer
May 18, 2020
17
61
St. Petersburg, FL
April, or "D" of 1935; "5" .. Looks like a lot of repaints to cut through if looking for original color if any left. Truss rods should be metal and not painted you could start there after tuning it up and getting it riding again..
Thank you SKPC.
So you're thinking that is the original rear wheel?
 

Rivnut

I live for the CABE
Nov 24, 2012
1,396
Shawnee, United States
I think that SKPC is referring to the "D" and the "5" that are stamped into the bottom bracket. I don't think the rear hub is dated.
 
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Rivnut

I live for the CABE
Nov 24, 2012
1,396
Shawnee, United States
I found an internet article on Hub Dating and copied and pasted a couple of pictures.
The first is a picture of what looks like your brake arm. It says "BRAKE" under the New Departure. It's dates the brake arm from "1938 to 1941" The R in the word brake is under the A in departure. I have a feeling that if yours is fully exposed, it looks like this one.
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This next picture show the brake arm from a "1934 to 1938?" You'll notice that the arm does not have the word BRAKE on it. It has Model D on it instead.

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This 3rd picture shows a brake arm from the years 1941 - 1949. It's called a "big arm". It does not have the loop around the hole in the end and it it thicker where it connects to the hub. In the picture that you posted, it's hard to tell what the entire arm looks like. In this one, the B is between the A and R.

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1950 - 1959 does not have the word BRAKE cast into it.

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bbell98138

'Lil Knee Scuffer
May 18, 2020
17
61
St. Petersburg, FL
This is fantastic Rivnut, thank you so much!!!!
Exactly what I needed!
Thanks again.
 
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