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Most Scarce/Rare Schwinn Stingray Seat Now For For Sale

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mike1117

Wore out three sets of tires already!

Since I buy and sell a lot of original Stingray chainguards and seats, I have been asked on a few occasions what is the most difficult to find original vintage Stingray seat. The seat just listed on Ebay above is not mine, I do not know who seller is, only that in my opinion I would say the above seat is the second hardest decent condition original Stingray seat to find, and here is my reasoning. A one year seat is always tough, and there have been a lot of them, however a one year seat that is color coded to the color of the bike is the toughest. A 1964 deep tufted deluxe solo polo, or a 65 white smoothie is tough, but these seats were used on all the color bikes one seat for all the bikes during the year. In my opinion the hardest to find would be a 68 Pea Picker seat as they came out toward the end of the year kind of after the Orange Apple and Lemon bikes, and like the lemon seat, I see very few of these ever come up for sale so that seat is in my opinion the toughest to find in original condition out there is the 68 Pea. The 68 Lemon I would say is just behind the Pea seat. The Orange and Apple 68 seats I have seen a few more of them and would say are slightly behind the Pea and Lemon seats, however ALL the Silver seats with colored stripe 68 Krate seats are a tough find in decent original condition. Now the 1971 Grey Ghost and 1973 Sunset Orange are also one year specific color seats. Now those are also tough to find, but I do see them come up for sale more than the 68 Krate seats, and the Cotton Picker seat is a two year seat but I think the numbers may have been low for both the Cotton and Grey Ghost. I bet they may have sold as many grey Ghosts in 1971 as they did Cotton's in 70 and 71 combined. The numbers for both bikes had to be low as they discontinued them both, and still kept the other 4 bikes for 1972, but dropping the Pea in 1973. I do not see a lot of boys choosing a white bike with a white seat, over a grey bike with a black seat. In my experience a nice original Cotton Picker which is a two year bike is tougher to find than a nice original Grey Ghost or Sunset Orange Krate. Now I have never seen production numbers for the different colored bikes, they may be out there somewhere but I have never seen one. I do remember seeing I think production numbers per year for the different models made during the year, but not broken down to colors. I have to think that in 1968 for sure the Orange Krate outsold the other colors by far, that was the iconic Raceway ad with the Kid on that funky drum braked front wheeled bike. You see that bike in the color Boys life ad, that is what you wanted when you went down to the dealer. I will even go so far as to say that each year during the Krate runs that the Orange Krate was the #1 color sold. So here are my rankings for tough to find decent original Stingray Seats, #1 being the toughest to find. Now of course this is just my opinion on all this (opinion sounds a lot better than guess). Any thoughts by anyone else.

#1 1968 Pea Picker
#2 1968 Lemon Peeler
#3 1968 Apple Krate
#4 1968 Orange Krate
#5 Cotton Picker Seat
#6 Grey Ghost Seat Seat
#7 Sunset Orange Seat
 
I believe you got it right Mike Also to add that the 69 Krate seats are hard to come by being they share the same style seat pan as the 68's
Tommy
 

Since I buy and sell a lot of original Stingray chainguards and seats, I have been asked on a few occasions what is the most difficult to find original vintage Stingray seat. The seat just listed on Ebay above is not mine, I do not know who seller is, only that in my opinion I would say the above seat is the second hardest decent condition original Stingray seat to find, and here is my reasoning. A one year seat is always tough, and there have been a lot of them, however a one year seat that is color coded to the color of the bike is the toughest. A 1964 deep tufted deluxe solo polo, or a 65 white smoothie is tough, but these seats were used on all the color bikes one seat for all the bikes during the year. In my opinion the hardest to find would be a 68 Pea Picker seat as they came out toward the end of the year kind of after the Orange Apple and Lemon bikes, and like the lemon seat, I see very few of these ever come up for sale so that seat is in my opinion the toughest to find in original condition out there is the 68 Pea. The 68 Lemon I would say is just behind the Pea seat. The Orange and Apple 68 seats I have seen a few more of them and would say are slightly behind the Pea and Lemon seats, however ALL the Silver seats with colored stripe 68 Krate seats are a tough find in decent original condition. Now the 1971 Grey Ghost and 1973 Sunset Orange are also one year specific color seats. Now those are also tough to find, but I do see them come up for sale more than the 68 Krate seats, and the Cotton Picker seat is a two year seat but I think the numbers may have been low for both the Cotton and Grey Ghost. I bet they may have sold as many grey Ghosts in 1971 as they did Cotton's in 70 and 71 combined. The numbers for both bikes had to be low as they discontinued them both, and still kept the other 4 bikes for 1972, but dropping the Pea in 1973. I do not see a lot of boys choosing a white bike with a white seat, over a grey bike with a black seat. In my experience a nice original Cotton Picker which is a two year bike is tougher to find than a nice original Grey Ghost or Sunset Orange Krate. Now I have never seen production numbers for the different colored bikes, they may be out there somewhere but I have never seen one. I do remember seeing I think production numbers per year for the different models made during the year, but not broken down to colors. I have to think that in 1968 for sure the Orange Krate outsold the other colors by far, that was the iconic Raceway ad with the Kid on that funky drum braked front wheeled bike. You see that bike in the color Boys life ad, that is what you wanted when you went down to the dealer. I will even go so far as to say that each year during the Krate runs that the Orange Krate was the #1 color sold. So here are my rankings for tough to find decent original Stingray Seats, #1 being the toughest to find. Now of course this is just my opinion on all this (opinion sounds a lot better than guess). Any thoughts by anyone else.

#1 1968 Pea Picker
#2 1968 Lemon Peeler
#3 1968 Apple Krate
#4 1968 Orange Krate
#5 Cotton Picker Seat
#6 Grey Ghost Seat Seat
#7 Sunset Orange Seat
Even though these may be the some of the toughest to find, I would consider the 1969 - 1972 Pea Picker to be the one in most Demand! ... Correct material, original or restored condition. Unobtainable.
What one would you pay the big money to acquire for that original Krate bicycle?
 
I used to buy the whole bike just to get my hands on a seat like this lemon. Replace it with a Pete seat(remember when they were nice) and flip.
Please elaborate on ... "(remember when they were nice)" ?
I have a few "Pete" seats from back in the day and a few from the guy's restoring them today, seats being done today are some very quality restorations, near original looking!
 
Even though these may be the some of the toughest to find, I would consider the 1969 - 1972 Pea Picker to be the one in most Demand! ... Correct material, original or restored condition. Unobtainable.
What one would you pay the big money to acquire for that original Krate bicycle?

To answer your question, I am covered pretty good as far as decent original Krate seats, solo polo seats, and white and silver glitter original 65-late 60's seats, EXCEPT I no longer own a single original 68 Krate seat, or a Sunset Orange Krate seat. I had al the other 3l but not an original 68 Pea seat at one time, but sold them off about 15 years ago. I have since learned to keep original seats and guards in case I pickup a bike needing one, I do sell off my duplicate guards and seats when I get them. So if I had a nice original 68 Krate or a Sunset Orange Krate missing an original seat then I would consider paying up big for an original seat for the bike. If I had a nice all original 68 Lemon Peeler with a missing or incorrect seat as the only item needed, I would make an offer on the above Lemon Peeler seat, even would consider paying full $650 price, but with California sales tax and shipping would bring that seat well above $700 which would most likely bring the bike up that much, just a lot to pay for a seat, and I hate to buy big ticket items without seeing them in person. Now if that Lemon seat above were in front of me at a swap meet any time soon, and I do not have a bike for it to go on at this time, I would still try to get it at $400-$500 dollars if it looked good. When you really need a seat, especially if you are in a rush it will generally cost you some good money. Nice to have spares around.

Also looking again at my seat list above I see I left off a front Mini Twinn seat. That can be a tough seat to find. And even though that is the same white seat for all colors of the bike, I would say it might very well be the toughest white original Stingray seat to find, tougher than the early Polo and mid 60's white seats. Again, this is my opinion only and all in fun.

I also would rob the original seats and guards off of original Stingray bikes and have Pete do seats and guards for me back then. Back then it was almost as easy to sell a nice all original bike that had a small pedal swipe through the guard, than with a Pete guard in it's place even though it stuck out like a sore thumb many times not matching up to the aged but nice original frame paint color. Same with seats, back then it was almost as easy and in some cases easier to sell for instance a nice original 68 Lemon Peeler with a 68 Peeler Pete Seat, than with the seat for sale above that is a decent seat, but with some flaws. Even today there is a big market of people that want perfect Wall Hanger bikes for their man caves, and will turn down a beautiful original bike with a few nicks in the seat and a few scratches for a perfect restored bike with fresh paint and a new recovered seat. It is all good whether you are a collector that has to have every nut and bolt correct or someone that just wants to smile while looking at the same model bike they had as a kid and not concerned with original or not.

Attached is the price list for seat and guards from Pete for those who may have never seen one. Keep in mind the $85 for the seat included the pan, was turnkey, ready to mount. I am laughing now when I recall Pete complaining to me about the poor rusty condition Polo seat pans I used to send him as those seats and manta seats you needed to send a Pan in exchange. He always sent me back a beautiful seat though, always great workmanship.

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Please elaborate on ... "(remember when they were nice)" ?
I have a few "Pete" seats from back in the day and a few from the guy's restoring them today, seats being done today are some very quality restorations, near original looking!
Just referring to the material. Pete had some original material until he ran out and then the colors were a bit off from OG. Not saying they are were bad after that.
 
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