Need help IDing a couple saddles

[Machine Age Victim]

I'm going to be selling these saddles and wanted to get my information as accurate as possible. I think the first is a Troxel that has an older recover. I have no idea on the second. Thanks in advance

 

[locomotion]

the second saddle had that piece of wood/plywood added and the original leather top was reapplied
definitely not original

 

[Machine Age Victim]

the second saddle had that piece of wood/plywood added and the original leather top was reapplied
definitely not original

Is that because it looks much nicer than the rest or would this never have had a plywood base? Thanks

 

[locomotion]

Is that because it looks much nicer than the rest or would this never have had a plywood base? Thanks

All of the above + it would not of been fitted that way inside the rails.
This is home made.