Need some Westfield Columbia bicycle help


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Mercian

Finally riding a big boys bike
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#23
Hi,

very easy to date with the two sets of letters/numbers stamped under the bottom of the crank tube (BB).

Best Regards,

Adrian
 
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Mercian

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Hi, and Thanks,

3-speeder is correct, 1942. But here's a link to a more accurate Westfield serial number listing (I know, I wrote it (-; )

https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/westfield-frame-numbers-1933-1945.100743/

I had the owner get back to me with a number. Its J1 -G35983
J1, G35983 was made in January 1942, and was one of the last civillian bicycles before the war. It just predates manufacture of the Military model G519 bikes, based on the same frame.

Very Nice!

Best Regards,

Adrian
 

old hotrod

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#27
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Or why there are two reflectors under a reflector?
it is common to find the bike lock latched to the seat, I guess the question is, where else would you put it that it won't rattle around or damage the paint. And the two reflectors are filling the two extra holes for a dropstand clip…common Westfield thing to have a kickstand and holes for a clip but no dropstand.
 

Car&bikeguy555

Look Ma, No Hands!
Mar 31, 2019
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#29
Hi, and Thanks,

3-speeder is correct, 1942. But here's a link to a more accurate Westfield serial number listing (I know, I wrote it (-; )

https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/westfield-frame-numbers-1933-1945.100743/



J1, G35983 was made in January 1942, and was one of the last civillian bicycles before the war. It just predates manufacture of the Military model G519 bikes, based on the same frame.

Very Nice!

Best Regards,

Adrian
Great work with the serial number guide! Is there any significance or rarity being a Pope Westfield over any of the other westfield makers of this era?
 

Mercian

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#30
Great work with the serial number guide! Is there any significance or rarity being a Pope Westfield over any of the other westfield makers of this era?
No, there is no special significance. It may indicate a slightly different parts set up, or perhaps retail in a particular area, it's a bit like 'Badge Engineered' cars in that respect.

It is nice, and I personally think good value. But then I'm biased towards bikes of this particular era (-:

I should add that I am currently updating this list with a couple of hundred more bicycles, and thank you for supplying another example.

The list will be published on CABE when done.
 
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CURTIS L LINDGREN

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No, there is no special significance. It may indicate a slightly different parts set up, or perhaps retail in a particular area, it's a bit like 'Badge Engineered' cars in that respect.

It is nice, and I personally think good value. But then I'm biased towards bikes of this particular era (-:

I should add that I am currently updating this list with a couple of hundred more bicycles, and thank you for supplying another example.

The list will be published on CABE when done.
You may use this , if you like. Curt. :sunglasses:

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Mercian

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#32
Hi Kurt,

Thanks for that - everything helps (-:

As you may know, it's J90786, which is late 1945 (probably Nov-Dec). This is wrong, sorry about that. It should be L90786, 1947. Please see my next post below.

Stamping J on the bb was a real problem because the tail of the J would go missing. It is also stamped with a new stamping tool, in comparison to previous bikes. I think the problem with the curved surface and this tool is why they moved the numbers onto the flat area of the rear dropout shortly after this.

The bike at the bottom of this page is badged the same, and is a similar date, but has the red/white colour scheme instead.

https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/westfield-frame-numbers-1933-1945.100743/

Best Regards,

Adrian
 
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CURTIS L LINDGREN

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#33
1st Off , THANKS for the info. I thought '47 My bike has NO ears for a drop stand...............the Red/white bike has 'em. Mine maybe a newer frame style ? Love the knowledge here on the Cabe :cool:

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Mercian

Finally riding a big boys bike
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#34
Hi Curt,

Thanks for your kind reply, and so I must apologise for giving you the wrong information.

You are quite correct, it's a 1947, L90786.

After your comment about the frame, I went off and educated myself a bit better, here are some other 1947 examples:

https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/j-c-higgins.6247/#post-205061

It's also noticeable that the same badge shape with different designs on it is often used at this point.

It also reinforces what I said about the problems of stamping a J or L on the bb. I fell for it!

So again, sorry for that. .

Best Regards,

Adrian
 

CURTIS L LINDGREN

Finally riding a big boys bike
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#35
Thanks for the update Adrian. It's all making more sense now . Bike manufacturing ,and Timelines are SOOOOOOOO Confusing . All the parts switching ,delays , using up old stock........Multiple brands/Names from the same Maker...........ALL OF IT..................I gotta tip my hat to EVERYONE who has spent the time to do this kind of research. it must have been exhausting ! Heck..................I'm exhausted just thinking about doin' that. ;)
 
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CURTIS L LINDGREN

Finally riding a big boys bike
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#37
Alright !!!!!! You did it . Lucky no one snagged it while you were contemplating. That bike has a great look to it. Great Color Combo. Great all around. What Tires are on that ? ALSO I think you can get a lenze for your fender light from Cindi Vette or Cindy Vette ............can't remember ( ON Ebay) Ya Dunn Good !
 

Car&bikeguy555

Look Ma, No Hands!
Mar 31, 2019
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South coast MA
#38
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Thanks!!! Yeah I'm really digging it haha. I was searching online to try to find a lense for the light just now actually. The front tire is "Allstate Crusader" and the rear tire is "Dave's Deluxe". Neither are in terrible condition, a few dry cracks here and there.
 

CURTIS L LINDGREN

Finally riding a big boys bike
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#39
Sounds like you lucked out with the tires as well. No one ever seems to "Let on" about what tires are on a bike. They ARE important , for that Authentic Period Look . If they can be ridden.................YEE HAW !!!! Let's go ride ! Here's what came with mine. It's a PLUS your light works . :cool:

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Car&bikeguy555

Look Ma, No Hands!
Mar 31, 2019
44
56
South coast MA
#40
Haha yeah I hear that, It was a plus to find out the tires looked original as they should look. Your tires look nice and fitting.
Oh yeah, for the light, are there specific bulbs or volts/watts to be used with the D batteries? I think the one I have is a 4 watt light bulb. Would a 2 watt be brighter you think?
 

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