cracken32racer
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Got another Elgin, can't identify the year, this is s/n SC22241.
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Archie Sturmer
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
1938-C, built by Murray Ohio.
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/murray-serial-number-project.7014/
17-pages, a nice read if one has a lot of time at home, for some reason.
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/murray-serial-number-project.7014/
17-pages, a nice read if one has a lot of time at home, for some reason.
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cracken32racer
Look Ma, No Hands!
Hi Archie, thank you for that valuable information. I went through the serial number project you posted, but didn't see any mention of an SO before the number.
I must be missing something
Archie Sturmer
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Somewhere in that thread (post-73) might be the Western Flyer serial number chart for the bikes that Murray built for their Western Auto stores.
I believe Murray started in 1936, which would correspond to the letter "A" - but maybe Western Auto did not order any bikes in that start-up year.
Most associate that early alphabet code as generally applicable to all of Murray's bicycles, not just Western Flyers.
For Sears, the early Murray-built bikes appear not to be stamped M.O. for Murray Ohio; but are stamped with an "S" (for Sears). I have seen some 1938 SC bikes and 1939 SD bikes, but also a couple of S- Sears Elgin bikes by Murray. For those, no "A" and no "B" - I estimate 1937, (just so that I don't have to go thru the 17-pages again!).
Westfield also built Sears Elgin bikes in this timeframe, and Westfield's A=1936 alphabet code generally matches Murray's A=1936. Not sure if Sears imposed the alphabet code upon Murray (after that first year of S-only codes), to match their other supplier, Westfield. Could have been purely coincidental though.
The very first post in the Murray SN thread shows a later alphabet code which may reflect a post-war restart, and some overlapping sequences.
I believe Murray started in 1936, which would correspond to the letter "A" - but maybe Western Auto did not order any bikes in that start-up year.
Most associate that early alphabet code as generally applicable to all of Murray's bicycles, not just Western Flyers.
For Sears, the early Murray-built bikes appear not to be stamped M.O. for Murray Ohio; but are stamped with an "S" (for Sears). I have seen some 1938 SC bikes and 1939 SD bikes, but also a couple of S- Sears Elgin bikes by Murray. For those, no "A" and no "B" - I estimate 1937, (just so that I don't have to go thru the 17-pages again!).
Westfield also built Sears Elgin bikes in this timeframe, and Westfield's A=1936 alphabet code generally matches Murray's A=1936. Not sure if Sears imposed the alphabet code upon Murray (after that first year of S-only codes), to match their other supplier, Westfield. Could have been purely coincidental though.
The very first post in the Murray SN thread shows a later alphabet code which may reflect a post-war restart, and some overlapping sequences.
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rollfaster
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
You can see here the similarities with the 38 I had.
cracken32racer
Look Ma, No Hands!
Archie, good information, Thank you. Your 38 looks exactly like mine, right down to the light.
Adamtinkerer
Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Bikes built for Sears have an S in the code, not shown on the chart above. Early models like these don't have the "MO" either.
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