New TOC Bike Emblem?


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Phattiremike

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May 16, 2016
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#1
I acquired this one a few months ago, it was delivered on Saturday to Concord. It's badged "The Harvard" but @locomotion "Max" pointed out it appears to be a teens Emblem. Based on sprocket and hub.

This original bike has exceptionally clean and shiny paint, beautiful very fine pin strips on wooden rims, the plating is also in super fine condition!! Bike was just dusted. 28" tires w/ the rear tire still holding air and a ND model A rear hub which spins freely and stops on a dime, front hub is a ND model M This bike is so clean it must have been in a controlled environment forever... The seat was there when I left but must have blown away at 75 mph on the highway I didn't realize it until I got home, son of a gun! Down tube has a cool decal that says The Hub. Check out the photos , if you have a seat or cover for it LMK.

Mike

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abe lugo

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#4
Beautiful bike! Sucks about the seat. I recall a seat top similar to that one Ebay not to long ago. Maybe here in classifieds too.
 
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locomotion

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jan 15, 2011
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#5
Manufactured by Washburne Cycle Co. They first started in 1892 but this bike is more likely late '90's.
--- not likely ---
I would say teens Emblem
the badge seems replaced, badge holes are all messed up, and the bottom screw seems out of place!!!
the badge patina doesn't match the bike's patina ..... this is what first caught my eye.

if rear hub is original to the bike : page 1 - Oct 31, 2012 - post #1
more 1906 or later.
"New Departure Model A - originally known as "1903 Model" 1902/03, "1904 Model" 1903/04, called Model A by 1906"
source : https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/c...g-project-need-everyones-help-pre-1933.34160/

if the sprocket is original to the bike : page 2- May 25, 2013 - post #31
"Miami, has been seen in a 1914ish Miami womans bike with wood wheels. Has also been seen on an Emblem mens bike. Also, there is a very similar version that is a bit smaller, without the four small holes and smaller teardrop holes positioned a bit farther from the outside that is on an Emblem womans bike. Also been seen on a Mead, Cossagn 20's mens bicycle that was sold be Copak for the Pedaling History Museum. "
source : https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/sprocket-compilation-pic-heavy.41683/page-2

if the bike is original to the bike : Emblem page 3 - Jun 30, 2013 - post #47
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/sprocket-compilation-pic-heavy.41683/page-3
 
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Phattiremike

I live for the CABE
May 16, 2016
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#7
I love the hub decal on the seat tube. Oliver Wendell Holmes coined the term in 1858. He was referring to the State House in Boston as the hub of the solar system and then the hub of the universe. Boston has been known as the Hub ever since.
Thank you @66TigerCat very nice to learn the history of that decal! I thought it was the bike shop decal...

Mike
 

Phattiremike

I live for the CABE
May 16, 2016
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#8
--- not likely ---
I would say teens Emblem
the badge seems replaced, badge holes are all messed up, and the bottom screw seems out of place!!!
the badge patina doesn't match the bike's patina ..... this is what first caught my eye.

if rear hub is original to the bike : page 1 - Oct 31, 2012 - post #1
more 1906 or later.
"New Departure Model A - originally known as "1903 Model" 1902/03, "1904 Model" 1903/04, called Model A by 1906"
source : https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/c...g-project-need-everyones-help-pre-1933.34160/

if the sprocket is original to the bike : page 2- May 25, 2013 - post #31
"Miami, has been seen in a 1914ish Miami womans bike with wood wheels. Has also been seen on an Emblem mens bike. Also, there is a very similar version that is a bit smaller, without the four small holes and smaller teardrop holes positioned a bit farther from the outside that is on an Emblem womans bike. Also been seen on a Mead, Cossagn 20's mens bicycle that was sold be Copak for the Pedaling History Museum. "
source : https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/sprocket-compilation-pic-heavy.41683/page-2

if the bike is original to the bike : Emblem page 3 - Jun 30, 2013 - post #47
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/sprocket-compilation-pic-heavy.41683/page-3
Thank you Max, good eye to pick up the badge screws being messed up. Now I need an Emblem badge.

Mike
 

locomotion

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jan 15, 2011
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#9
Thank you Max, good eye to pick up the badge screws being messed up. Now I need an Emblem badge.

Mike
More research on research for Emblem.

page 1 -Feb 19, 2018 - post #9
source : https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/emblem-manufacturing-info.125531/

seems that all Emblem badges on The Cabe have east-west badge holes, but most seem to be from the late teens, and twenties
can't find much info/pics on Emblems from 1906-1914
i am sure someone might come-up with info
 

fat tire trader

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Oct 29, 2010
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San Quentin, California
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#12
--- not likely ---
I would say teens Emblem
the badge seems replaced, badge holes are all messed up, and the bottom screw seems out of place!!!
the badge patina doesn't match the bike's patina ..... this is what first caught my eye.

if rear hub is original to the bike : page 1 - Oct 31, 2012 - post #1
more 1906 or later.
"New Departure Model A - originally known as "1903 Model" 1902/03, "1904 Model" 1903/04, called Model A by 1906"
source : https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/c...g-project-need-everyones-help-pre-1933.34160/

if the sprocket is original to the bike : page 2- May 25, 2013 - post #31
"Miami, has been seen in a 1914ish Miami womans bike with wood wheels. Has also been seen on an Emblem mens bike. Also, there is a very similar version that is a bit smaller, without the four small holes and smaller teardrop holes positioned a bit farther from the outside that is on an Emblem womans bike. Also been seen on a Mead, Cossagn 20's mens bicycle that was sold be Copak for the Pedaling History Museum. "
source : https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/sprocket-compilation-pic-heavy.41683/page-2

if the bike is original to the bike : Emblem page 3 - Jun 30, 2013 - post #47
https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/sprocket-compilation-pic-heavy.41683/page-3

And a dog leg crank on a teens bike?
 

Phattiremike

I live for the CABE
May 16, 2016
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#15
More research on research for Emblem.

page 1 -Feb 19, 2018 - post #9
source : https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/emblem-manufacturing-info.125531/

seems that all Emblem badges on The Cabe have east-west badge holes, but most seem to be from the late teens, and twenties
can't find much info/pics on Emblems from 1906-1914
i am sure someone might come-up with info
Does anyone have early Emblem badge photos, in a link sent by Max there was reference to this sprocket being on an early Miami bike, photos of that badge would be helpful? I pulled the badge off it had a touch of glue to hold in place, so it's confirmed the Harvard badge was added. The badge outline looks perfect and no other holes were drilled the are 3" apart east - west.

Mike
 

locomotion

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#16
Does anyone have early Emblem badge photos, in a link sent by Max there was reference to this sprocket being on an early Miami bike, photos of that badge would be helpful? I pulled the badge off it had a touch of glue to hold in place, so it's confirmed the Harvard badge was added. The badge outline looks perfect and no other holes were drilled the are 3" apart east - west.

Mike
So the bottom screw on the Harvard badge was not even screwed in?
Do you have a picture of the outline of the previous badge?
I have a few early Emblems, I will try to measure the holes tonight.
 

Phattiremike

I live for the CABE
May 16, 2016
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#17
So the bottom screw on the Harvard badge was not even screwed in?
Do you have a picture of the outline of the previous badge?
I have a few early Emblems, I will try to measure the holes tonight.
The lower screw was screwed in Max but not tight, the rubber cement had it better than the screw. Looks like the same outline as the Harvard, I'll take it outside when I get home and look closely, an Emblem or a Miami badge should work based on the links you posted.

Mike
 

locomotion

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jan 15, 2011
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#18
The lower screw was screwed in Max but not tight, the rubber cement had it better than the screw. Looks like the same outline as the Harvard, I'll take it outside when I get home and look closely, an Emblem or a Miami badge should work based on the links you posted.

Mike
Mike. So you have 3 badge holes?
2 east/west (original holes)
and 1 south (extra for the lower screw on the Harvard)
 

Phattiremike

I live for the CABE
May 16, 2016
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#19
NO just 2 holes about 3' apart east west. Here’s a picture of the outline, looks like a Columbia badge was on there or something similar. I’ll remove the glue later.

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Jesse McCauley

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Mar 5, 2013
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#20
Interesting for sure!
My only immediate insight comes from the fork crown, I believe I have seen Lovell Diamond built bicycles featuring the same fork?
Can anyone confirm or deny that thought?

I have seen a badge somewhere for a "Hub" bicycle, I like the Boston association with the term as explained above.
 
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