Please help needed to identify these Frames

[Junkman Bob]

I picked up these Two Frames the other day and not to versed on what I believe are Motobike frames .. I noticed one frame has trumpet fitting and the other seems to have a unique seat tube … Any help will be greatly appreciated

Thanks Everyone
Bob

 

[SKPC]

1st one is a Schween...Teens? (If twin top tubes are same diameter?)
2nd one Columbia? Twenties? Also has a late 20's Colson look.

Columbia Ranger from my pic files..

 

[Junkman Bob]

What year you thinking ?? You think maybe an Excelsior ?
Thanks for info

Bob

 

[Goldenindian]

I agree with SKPC

Help identifying! | Antique Bicycles Pre-1933

I picked this up a while back and have heard many different opinions on what it is. So here it is for you all to see. Any information is appreciated!

thecabe.com

Who made "Black Beauty" badged bikes??? and Mont. Wards "De Luxe" | Antique Bicycles Pre-1933

Who made "Black Beauty" badged bikes? I was also wondering about Montgomery Ward "De Luxe" badged? Could they be the same maker? Chris

thecabe.com

Good threads. First frame. It could be excelsior(not Michigan city) could also be a lot of other things. A lot of good discussion on frames with the built in stand ears….1917-1919

 

[Archie Sturmer]

I also agree with @SKPC.
The 2nd frame looks to be a transitional Colson lug frame, with only 1 lug joint fitting.
Most Colson lug frame bicycles have 3 lug joint fittings: head tube; bottom bracket; and seat post cluster.
Recenty, we have seen a 2-lug Colson lug frame, (with a standard bottom bracket).

HELP ID | Antique Bicycles Pre-1933

Help appreciated on id. Make, model, year. No luck finding ser. #. Thanks. Kirby

thecabe.com

I believe that the serial number stamping should follow one of the Colson patterns, (but it is hard to read; 1931?).

 

[Junkman Bob]

I will get a better picture of that SN … great info and thank you very much …

Bob

 

[SKPC]

A couple of items of note regarding the early teens Schwinn moto frames. The rear axle forgings seem to have the ears, transitioning to without them in the 20's. Chain/seat stay bridges all seem to have fish-mouth joints slightly curved. Also a slight bulge at seat post clamp junction. And as pointed out by @ejlwheels in the links, seems all these "eared" dropout forgings Schwinn used late teens/early 20's were pre-drilled for a skirt guard, even thought the mens did not use skirt guards.
Also a couple more detail pics for you of my 20's schwinn moto and a late teens/20's complete one that surfaced last year with a tank. How long is the head tube? I may have a fork that would fit your frame..

 

[Junkman Bob]

I will measure after work today …
Thank you
Bob

 

[fat tire trader]

I agree, #1 Schwinn, 2 Colson