Racycle Madness, Part 2


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scrubbinrims

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Sep 2, 2010
6,628
1,615
4900 New Kent Rd, Richmond, VA 23225, USA
#1
So the stage was set at a small rural Virginia college town, where a local auction was held yesterday... the kind of sale that featured many things pre-WW2 from numerous barns and outbuildings, the kind of sale most of us would want to be at on a brisk, but sunny Saturday morning.
I found out about the auction only a couple of days in advance and in the listing there was a 1895 Miami Cycle wood rimmed bicycle that was mentioned in bold it was just pulled out of the upper barn floor, yet no pictures.
So I speak to the auctioneer and he reluctantly had an assistant text me some pics I had requested (bars, cranks, headbadge, saddle) the day before the sale and mentioned he would not have the time to upload any photos on Auctionzip.
I forward these shots on to Blue Nelson who was very helpful in value and knowing what to look for.
Perfect!
I had the info and some money and no proxybid or online bidding, no phone bidding, the bike was added late so likely few would see it, definitely off the beaten path away from the heavy hitters here, with only an absentee option based on a loose description without pics for those that could not attend live.
So I made the 2.5 hour roadtrip and patiently waited for the bidding to begin on this bike, eyeing those who went over to look at it.
The auctioneer really tried to drum up interest in the crowd like no other item that day, but at go time, there were no absentee bids in...just me and the mostly antique dealers that were there.
It all happened at a lightnin' pace of $100 dollar increments between my card and only one other fellow until at 1300.00 (plus 5% tax), I lowered my number in disbelief at what had happened.
I approached the winner of the bike afterwards to offer my congratulations and to get an idea of wtf just happened.
He was a watch dealer having a few bikes, none earlier than a 50's track bike, so I was not up against a seasoned bicycle collector, not against a Racycle or TOC collector, just some guy who happened to want the bike more than me, someone who said he always wanted an early bike... although I got no sense he really knew what he just bought and at this price, I was just shocked it wasn't going into the space I had set up in my van.
Anyway, that's the story and I did win a few other things to flip and recover my investment in gas and time, but still shaking my head this morning at this random occurrence...or was it?
Chris
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npence

I live for the CABE
Jul 11, 2009
1,755
510
Marysville, United States
#3
I think it sold for retail value no money to be made on that one being just a roadster not a pacemaker. I didn't think you where into those early bikes Chris.
 

Larmo63

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Aug 17, 2010
4,356
457
San Clemente, Ca
#4
That wasn't really a very good deal in my humble opinion. Just look at

the prices the two Pacemaker Racycles made at Copake. Those prices

don't help the Racycle market at all. You were probably lucky you didn't

have to pay that much for that wreck. I know how much it takes dollar

wise to do a proper restoration on one of these rare bicycles. I'm still not

done.
 

looneymatthew

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Dec 3, 2010
913
151
san clemente ca
#5
Cool story

You cant win them all. but theres a better one just around the corner. thanks for sharing the story.




So the stage was set at a small rural Virginia college town, where a local auction was held yesterday... the kind of sale that featured many things pre-WW2 from numerous barns and outbuildings, the kind of sale most of us would want to be at on a brisk, but sunny Saturday morning.
I found out about the auction only a couple of days in advance and in the listing there was a 1895 Miami Cycle wood rimmed bicycle that was mentioned in bold it was just pulled out of the upper barn floor, yet no pictures.
So I speak to the auctioneer and he reluctantly had an assistant text me some pics I had requested (bars, cranks, headbadge, saddle) the day before the sale and mentioned he would not have the time to upload any photos on Auctionzip.
I forward these shots on to Blue Nelson who was very helpful in value and knowing what to look for.
Perfect!
I had the info and some money and no proxybid or online bidding, no phone bidding, the bike was added late so likely few would see it, definitely off the beaten path away from the heavy hitters here, with only an absentee option based on a loose description without pics for those that could not attend live.
So I made the 2.5 hour roadtrip and patiently waited for the bidding to begin on this bike, eyeing those who went over to look at it.
The auctioneer really tried to drum up interest in the crowd like no other item that day, but at go time, there were no absentee bids in...just me and the mostly antique dealers that were there.
It all happened at a lightnin' pace of $100 dollar increments between my card and only one other fellow until at 1300.00 (plus 5% tax), I lowered my number in disbelief at what had happened.
I approached the winner of the bike afterwards to offer my congratulations and to get an idea of wtf just happened.
He was a watch dealer having a few bikes, none earlier than a 50's track bike, so I was not up against a seasoned bicycle collector, not against a Racycle or TOC collector, just some guy who happened to want the bike more than me, someone who said he always wanted an early bike... although I got no sense he really knew what he just bought and at this price, I was just shocked it wasn't going into the space I had set up in my van.
Anyway, that's the story and I did win a few other things to flip and recover my investment in gas and time, but still shaking my head this morning at this random occurrence...or was it?
Chris
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Wcben

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Jan 11, 2012
988
412
Fort Lauderdale, United States
#6
Sorry you didn't get one, one will come along for you... be patient! Look at that Pacemaker that didn't sell on ebay at the end of last year and as said earlier, the two at Copake, you'll find a better one....
 

Wcben

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Jan 11, 2012
988
412
Fort Lauderdale, United States
#9
That's a different variant Blue!
 

led

'Lil Knee Scuffer
May 4, 2013
13
15
#11
Hi,

I'm the idiot that threw all the $ at the Racycle Scrubbinrims is talking about.

Obviously I was pretty much clueless and overly excited. Too bad one of us wasn't there :(

Anyway I am now attempting to clean it up and start learning about it and hopefully do the right things to restore it over time.

Here are a few detail pics below. The serial no. is 107926. Any hope of dating it? Can I still get wooden rims made for this?

Anything I should be very wary of doing / not doing?

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racycle2.jpg
racycle1.jpg
 

Wcben

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Jan 11, 2012
988
412
Fort Lauderdale, United States
#12
That looks like an armless Mussleman hub! It's rare and desirable amongst us Racycle nuts!! Yes, you can still get wood rims, you have the option of newly made or, holding out for original or, if you plan on riding....maybe go for a set of the Stutzmans with the metal inserts so you can use newer tires and higher pressures.... There's a pretty dedicated group of Racycle fans on here (me being one) we'll help as we can. I'll defer to Blue for the accurate dating but I believe you're post 1908 with those cranks.

Congrats on your new Racycle!!
 

Oldnut

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Oct 30, 2012
889
477
Dayton,oh
#13
I have a stock original crank for this that's in 9/10 condition if interested.
It's that's very crank.
 

led

'Lil Knee Scuffer
May 4, 2013
13
15
#14
Thanks for the replies!

I'd like to ride this ultimately. Considering I already spent an arm & leg on it I'm going to try to keep the original parts insofar as they are still usable. I know there are different schools of thought regarding restoration - I'd like to remove rust and neutralize it but not sure I want to get rid of all the patina. It appears to have been painted more than once too...I think I see some red remnants and of course all the black. The bottom bracket has a goldish look in places??
 

Wcben

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Jan 11, 2012
988
412
Fort Lauderdale, United States
#18
I'm not seeing the silver solder.... The area at the bottom of the crank is still pretty messy, I don't see anything that looks like a repair though.....
 

fat tire trader

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Oct 29, 2010
2,393
738
San Quentin, California
www.fattiretrading.com
#19
I'm not seeing the silver solder.... The area at the bottom of the crank is still pretty messy, I don't see anything that looks like a repair though.....
Its hard to tell from the picture, but to me it just looks like some of the paint is coming off the bottom bracket shell which was brazed, not silver soldered. Aside from paint loss, it does not look messy nor like a repair. In addition, the bottom side of a bottom bracket shell is an area that rarely gets damaged. I have had to repair a lot of frames that cracked on the top side of the bottom bracket shell where it connects to the seat tube.
 

Wcben

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Jan 11, 2012
988
412
Fort Lauderdale, United States
#20
Maybe I should have been more specific, when I wrote "messy", I meant that there was obvious paint missing, dirt, grease still covering some of the crank hanger but I did say that I didn't see any evidence of repair. Sorry for not being so clear.
 

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