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Brutuskend

I live for the CABE
Apr 3, 2011
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Eugene / Springfield Oregon
#21
This is what I think goes on (in the bike world). Most all CABE members have incredible knowledge of bikes that the average person (average bike lover) doesn't have.
Fifty years ago "Bobby" missed out on getting the bike he wanted for Christmas.
Now the fellow here selling "the pos bike" was being honest. The Bobbys of the world don't know any better, they now have money and can have what they missed as a kid.
Clones and reproductions are ok as long as the buyer is made aware what it is, lack of quality and value.
I know more about old cars than bikes. In my 20s I used to street race and had a '69 Hurst SC/Rambler that I rolled end over end in a race (I was stupid). It was the "A" scheme, then in mid 70s I bought a "B" (rarer 500) one I still have it. It was a $1,200 car then, not worth it to clone. Now there are clones and you really have to know what to look for to know "the real McCoy".
As time goes on, lots of bikes are going up in price. At some point they start being cloned...and that's where you need an expert opinion. Sadly, the clones get better all the time.
I'd love other's thoughts on this, but I'm thinking sellers ought to be told (for honesty, transparency,etc.) in description what was paid for item and/or valuation. View attachment 1002067 View attachment 1002068

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Nice! I had a big bad green 69 Javelin that I put a super T 10 and hurst shifter out of a S/C Rambler Scrambler, I also put disk brakes out of one on it to. Sold it years ago and have NEVER forgiven myself. I still dream about that car on a regular basis. The guy I sold it to still has it. One of these day's when my number comes in, I'll do my best to buy it back (IF I can get him to sell it back to me. That car is the only thing that kept me sane ish when I was in the Marines in the early 70's.
 

razinhellcustomz

Wore out three sets of tires already!
May 28, 2018
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kiel wisconsin
#25
I always liked those Rambler Americans of the 60’s. Simple clean styling. Yours really cool! A guy from work is putting an LS1 and 4 link into one
Don't you or your friend know you just make it worth less when you put a LUMP O' &#!^ IN AN AMC IT JUST MAKES IT WORSE Than if you should put in a Mopar crate motor motor in it? IDIOTS!!!!
 

Sevenhills1952

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 20, 2018
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#27
Amen! Hear! Hear!
Wife and I collect old cars. She's always loved Pontiac, so her Firebirds and GTO are 100% Pontiac. My Ramblers are 100%. Our Mustangs...all Ford, Chevys all Chevy.
This is the CABE! I'm sure every collector wants to keep their old bike original as possible. And there are some really nice bikes here!
At any bike or car show I gravitate towards originality.

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Saving Tempest

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Feb 6, 2012
4,405
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Earth (Middle)
#28
This is what I think goes on (in the bike world). Most all CABE members have incredible knowledge of bikes that the average person (average bike lover) doesn't have.
Fifty years ago "Bobby" missed out on getting the bike he wanted for Christmas.
Now the fellow here selling "the pos bike" was being honest. The Bobbys of the world don't know any better, they now have money and can have what they missed as a kid.
Clones and reproductions are ok as long as the buyer is made aware what it is, lack of quality and value.
I know more about old cars than bikes. In my 20s I used to street race and had a '69 Hurst SC/Rambler that I rolled end over end in a race (I was stupid). It was the "A" scheme, then in mid 70s I bought a "B" (rarer 500) one I still have it. It was a $1,200 car then, not worth it to clone. Now there are clones and you really have to know what to look for to know "the real McCoy".
As time goes on, lots of bikes are going up in price. At some point they start being cloned...and that's where you need an expert opinion. Sadly, the clones get better all the time.
I'd love other's thoughts on this, but I'm thinking sellers ought to be told (for honesty, transparency,etc.) in description what was paid for item and/or valuation. View attachment 1002067 View attachment 1002068

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My folks had a Rambler something 660 and tried to trade it for a Toyota then got the Rambler back. We went to a BMW (Brown Matador Wagon) after that when the family grew to four kids.

Oddly enough, if you liked AMCs it seems like you'd also be a Mopar fan, at least Dart/Valiant and Satellite.
 

Sevenhills1952

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 20, 2018
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#29
My folks had a Rambler something 660 and tried to trade it for a Toyota then got the Rambler back. We went to a BMW (Brown Matador Wagon) after that when the family grew to four kids.

Oddly enough, if you liked AMCs it seems like you'd also be a Mopar fan, at least Dart/Valiant and Satellite.
They had a Rambler Classic. American 220,330,440...Classic550,660,770...Ambassador880,990. Dad had a '64 Ambassador 990, 327 V8 (Rambler mid-block...nothing similar to Chevy 327 small block).
Before that (it's a very long story) he had the 64 Rambler Tarpon prototype, also 327, 4 spd. Much information online about Rambler is incorrect.
I have a 74 Matador Oleg Cassini Black/Black (copper trim).
I also have a 66 Rogue convertible 290 4 spd...1 of 1.

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Saving Tempest

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Feb 6, 2012
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#31
They had a Rambler Classic. American 220,330,440...Classic550,660,770...Ambassador880,990. Dad had a '64 Ambassador 990, 327 V8 (Rambler mid-block...nothing similar to Chevy 327 small block).
Before that (it's a very long story) he had the 64 Rambler Tarpon prototype, also 327, 4 spd. Much information online about Rambler is incorrect.
I have a 74 Matador Oleg Cassini Black/Black (copper trim).
I also have a 66 Rogue convertible 290 4 spd...1 of 1.

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The styling cues are pretty similar between some of the AMCs and the some Chrysler cars. Not the Classics or the Marlin though. Jack Webb liked them over the big Chevys LAPD tended to use AFAIK. He liked the then new Dodge truck for Emergency! which only made sense. I'm not so sure that Dragnet was as accurate a portrayal as it could have been but Webb liked smaller economical cars and good value.
 

Saving Tempest

Riding a '38 Autocycle Deluxe
Feb 6, 2012
4,405
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Earth (Middle)
#36
Reminds me many years ago wife and took a truckload of working tv's to a local flea market. By afternoon we hadn't sold one.
An older fellow stopped and said the prices were too cheap, people assumed they were junk. "Double the ticket prices, see what happens", so we did.
Within next hour or so, we sold all of them.
Strange thing human nature!

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Not me, I'm cheap. I have two 36 year old Trinitrons I got for a total of $13 at two yard sales.
 

Sevenhills1952

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 20, 2018
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#39
This really gets me.
About 15 or so years ago my wife and I went to a restoration facility , featured in magazines, etc.
Driving up...the place looked incredible. Inside was better, tiled showroom and we got the $5 tour. The shop area was cleaner than our kitchen (yes...our kitchen is clean!) People everywhere busy welding, polishing, wrenching.
Restoration but also resto-mods, so Chevy big blocks installed in 2 seater convertibles, fabricated tube chassis.
Here's the best part. Owner said I've saved best for last. Beside basement door was a chalkboard numbered 1 thru 10. Beside each number was a rare, valuable car. Cars like 1970 hemi superbird...1965 shelby cobra 427.
Out the door there's a 10 car storage facility, each roll up door numbered 1 thru 10. By now I'm ready to pass out.
"Want to see them?" Guy asks.
"Who wouldn't!" I exclaimed.
So he unlocks and opens a few doors, my heart pounding.
However...each bay was empty...except for a shelf in back, a few miscellaneous parts in corner and a few boxes.
Within the bay was what made a 1969 Trans Am a Trans Am...the scoops, tach, wing, serial number tag(s).
I said...wait a minute!!!!! These parts you have came from totaled cars! So you find a nice green 1969 6 cylinder Firebird, put this stuff on it, new paint/upholstery and voila! You turned a $3,000 car into a $150K car!!!!! "That's right" he said.
What you guys think of that!?!?!

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PCHiggin

Cruisin' on my Bluebird
Jan 22, 2008
3,787
1,635
Ryderwood, United States
#40
This really gets me.
About 15 or so years ago my wife and I went to a restoration facility , featured in magazines, etc.
Driving up...the place looked incredible. Inside was better, tiled showroom and we got the $5 tour. The shop area was cleaner than our kitchen (yes...our kitchen is clean!) People everywhere busy welding, polishing, wrenching.
Restoration but also resto-mods, so Chevy big blocks installed in 2 seater convertibles, fabricated tube chassis.
Here's the best part. Owner said I've saved best for last. Beside basement door was a chalkboard numbered 1 thru 10. Beside each number was a rare, valuable car. Cars like 1970 hemi superbird...1965 shelby cobra 427.
Out the door there's a 10 car storage facility, each roll up door numbered 1 thru 10. By now I'm ready to pass out.
"Want to see them?" Guy asks.
"Who wouldn't!" I exclaimed.
So he unlocks and opens a few doors, my heart pounding.
However...each bay was empty...except for a shelf in back, a few miscellaneous parts in corner and a few boxes.
Within the bay was what made a 1969 Trans Am a Trans Am...the scoops, tach, wing, serial number tag(s).
I said...wait a minute!!!!! These parts you have came from totaled cars! So you find a nice green 1969 6 cylinder Firebird, put this stuff on it, new paint/upholstery and voila! You turned a $3,000 car into a $150K car!!!!! "That's right" he said.
What you guys think of that!?!?!

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Buyer beware. Same thing with some old bikes. People have been restoring them since the 70's,far as Im aware,maybe earlier? That means a 40 year old restoration can be passed off as 60-70 year old original gem. I've seen it. The "not tested" with respect to selling lights,horns,radios,whatever, is total bull&#!^. The seller knows the item is junk and is scamming. I've NEVER had a light,horn or anything that I didnt try out soon as I could. I gave an old non working countertop radio to a guy years ago,I lost interest in that stuff. I plugged it in to let him hear the humming,thats all it had. He was so excited,saying a friend of his could fix it. Later that day,I saw it on craigslist under antiques. He wrote "untested" in the ad. Well,this guy was a friend of a friend and I no longer talk to either of them. I cant believe $40. was worth so much to them.
 
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