Request for photos of head light for 59-60 Schwinn Jaguar

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T1Callahan

Look Ma, No Hands!
Nov 11, 2019
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Does anyone have or can take some detailed photos of the Light that came on the 59-60 Jaguar Mark IV. My refurb is nearly done, but the light I bought on eBay is not correct- though I'm sure its close and most people wouldn't know. With all the after market headlights that were manufactured through the years replicating the look of original light (theres even an LED version on amazon today for 13 bucks), its hard to tell on eBay if I should be bidding on a light, especially if I have not seen one in person close up to know what to look for. The one I bought is fine, and replicates the look ok; it is an older one probably from the 80's with C batteries and incandescent bulb and bracket made in Japan, but I know its not original because the insides are too new. If you also have a photo of what the insides should look like that may also help me and others who may be trying to find correct parts. I also know at some point they transitioned to the Schwinn Pumpkin light as I have seen this on the 64' models, but Im not sure what year they started.
 

Rivnut

Wore out three sets of tires already!
Nov 24, 2012
997
Shawnee, United States
The '59 Jaguar used Schwinn lamp #8183. Don't know if this will get you any closer but I gave it a shot.

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GTs58

I'm the Wiz, and nobody beats me!
Sep 2, 2012
10,917
Central Arizona
Check out this eBay listing. It's a Corvette but the Jag used the same light.

 

T1Callahan

Look Ma, No Hands!
Nov 11, 2019
26
47
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Check out this eBay listing. It's a Corvette but the Jag used the same light.

Thanks for the link those photos are pretty decent. I zoomed in, and I may have found one on a huffy no less on offer up just a bit ago. Compare it to the zoomed photo. Going to ask if I can get a better shot. I can buy the light and get the bike for free.


The one I bought originally and have now is smaller.
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bikemonkey

I live for the CABE
Jun 25, 2016
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As mentioned by GTs58 the Jaguar OG light was made in Italy by CEV and was the Hi/Lo beam version (two bulbs). Here are some pics inside and out of the correct light. The light was stock on my customer's one owner 59 Jag.
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T1Callahan

Look Ma, No Hands!
Nov 11, 2019
26
47
Socal
As mentioned by GTs58 the Jaguar OG light was made in Italy by CEV and was the Hi/Lo beam version (two bulbs). Here are some pics inside and out of the correct light. The light was stock on my customer's one owner 59 Jag.
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These are great pics I can use for comparison. Is the lens plastic? As a side note, while I was studying the ebay listing GTs58 sent, I just noticed the headbadge is a starburst, not the normal black and white one I bought. And they are so expensive... I only paid a couple hundred for the whole bike but a new correct badge and light will double the cost. I think I’m obsessed now .., this is my first vintage but I’m guessing it’s how it goes.
 

bikemonkey

I live for the CABE
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These are great pics I can use for comparison. Is the lens plastic? As a side note, while I was studying the ebay listing GTs58 sent, I just noticed the headbadge is a starburst, not the normal black and white one I bought. And they are so expensive... I only paid a couple hundred for the whole bike but a new correct badge and light will double the cost. I think I’m obsessed now .., this is my first vintage but I’m guessing it’s how it goes.
yes plastic...it will have CEV stamped on the lens like this.

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All the best on the project.
 

T1Callahan

Look Ma, No Hands!
Nov 11, 2019
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In the event that I can't find or can't afford an original, does anyone know if there is a similar in size and shape new one on eBay or amazon they sell that is close enough to the original size and shape. For instance this one looks interesting with a high/low incandescent beam and the visor is removable. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/311589418693
I may end up buying a something for now that is close enough, until I can find one that isn't priced out of my league. I think something that is $100-150+ for just a light is too much for me- though i get why you would spend that, but its not realistic for me. I bought one from the 80s and looks wise, most won't be able to tell, but I can see the size is smaller than the original.
what is the diameter of the original?
 
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Schwinndemonium

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 29, 2009
294
Lititz, United States
I have a close to mint one on this radiant blue '59 Jag I restored in 2009. Found it at Trexlertown in a headlight grab box for $7.00. It was dirty as hell when I got it, but I saw it was nice!

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T1Callahan

Look Ma, No Hands!
Nov 11, 2019
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47
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I think blue is my favorite color, that is gorgeous. Don't know if Ill get that lucky to find one for $9 , but if anyone has a spare they picked up for $9, but i.d. gladly pay double if they want to sell it. :)
 
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GTs58

I'm the Wiz, and nobody beats me!
Sep 2, 2012
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These are great pics I can use for comparison. Is the lens plastic? As a side note, while I was studying the ebay listing GTs58 sent, I just noticed the headbadge is a starburst, not the normal black and white one I bought. And they are so expensive... I only paid a couple hundred for the whole bike but a new correct badge and light will double the cost. I think I’m obsessed now .., this is my first vintage but I’m guessing it’s how it goes.
The badge on that Jag is the standard issue for that time with color matching lettering. It's the large oval, not the Starburst. The Starburst came on the 61 and later Jags.
 

T1Callahan

Look Ma, No Hands!
Nov 11, 2019
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I found some info on another site or in another thread about the starburst, Apparently it started in early 1960 and ended in 1963. The info in this Schwinn news letter from April 1960 says the "starburst is now in use". Also, On my Jag, which the serial says was manufactured on 10/31/1960, has what appears to be a tough glue residue. I thought originally that the glue was because someone tried to re-attach the standard metal badge and lost the screws, but now that I found this out today, I believe the glue is because mine had the plastic Badge originally. I do now have the new B&W badge, but I need to get screws to affix it, but I'll test it tonight to see if the holes line up. From Ebay it looks like the plastic badge had alignment posts, and If I can't get the standard screws to go in or the holes don't line up with my badge I will know for sure that mine had the plastic.

If I can get my badge to attach, I will probably just do so, and call it a day. Especially since there were probably some 1960's with the standard B&W, and some without.
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Nickinator

Riding my '38 Deluxe Bluebird
Jul 21, 2011
5,662
Mpls, MN
Honestly I’ve had so many different lights that I knew were factory, you could use just about any one of them and be ok. Especially on the earlier Jags they were sourcing lights of different styles all the time. Also I imagine a lot of were replaced by dealers.
Darcie
 

GTs58

I'm the Wiz, and nobody beats me!
Sep 2, 2012
10,917
Central Arizona
Just a note. The date associated to the serial number is not a build date of any sort. The recorded date is when the serial number was stamped on the drop out component and sometime later it was used to build a frame. There is even a chance your Jag could be a 1961 model depending on when that drop out was used to build a frame and Schwinn's production at the end of that year. The crank should have a cast in date and the fork should have a two or three number date stamp on the left leg just above the axle slot.
I'd like to see a picture of your head tube if possible. If you had that black glue on the head then it had a Starburst badge. There was only one indexing pin at the bottom of the badge for the bottom screw hole. I've seen 1960 models with both large and small head badges and it seems that year had a badge transition over all along with the new Starburst which is the smaller version.
 
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T1Callahan

Look Ma, No Hands!
Nov 11, 2019
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Here is a sot of a head Tube. It also has 2 holes, and they do line up with the head badge I bought perfectly. I am glad because I didn't even realize that there were 2 sizes of the standard B&W head badge. I also included a shot of the headlamp I bought. I was not able to locate the date on the fork, but I probably need to take the wheel off to see it, and I also didn't find any dates on the crank either- Is that on the inside of the bracket?
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GTs58

I'm the Wiz, and nobody beats me!
Sep 2, 2012
10,917
Central Arizona
1968 cast date on this crank. The stampings on the fork leg is pretty small and hard to read or see sometimes. Wheel has to be out.

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You can somewhat see the date stamping on the fork just above the slot.

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T1Callahan

Look Ma, No Hands!
Nov 11, 2019
26
47
Socal
Honestly I’ve had so many different lights that I knew were factory, you could use just about any one of them and be ok. Especially on the earlier Jags they were sourcing lights of different styles all the time. Also I imagine a lot of were replaced by dealers.
Darcie
Its a good point Darcie. I would like to find one that is an inexpensive (incandescent) clone that is closer in size. This one just seems too small. but you tell me. Still needs correct pedals as you can see, and as I found out recently the front rack is not correct. I need to be patient, these things will eventual present themselves, but its hard, as I want to see it finished.
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Schwinndemonium

Finally riding a big boys bike
Dec 29, 2009
294
Lititz, United States
If you want originality on your 1960 Jag, let me make some comments on your last picture. Yes, your front rack is incorrect. It should be an aluminum alloy "double hinged" rack there. Plus, you need to find a set of smaller, much more narrow in width handlebars for your bike. Recheck out the pic I have posted of my blue '59. The bike is 100% correct with all the parts that are on it. The only thing , other than the headtube badge that differentiates a 1959 Jag from the 1960 model is the pedals. The non reflectorized bow pedals on a '59 are of the bolt through the rubber block type, and the 1960's utilize a larger rubber block that eliminates the need for bolts to hold it to the pedal frame.

An observation, I noticed that your headlight mounting bracket is mounted to the handlebars upside down. If you turn the bike over to work on it, you may bash the top of your headlight in as this position raises the light higher above the handlebars to the point where the bike won't rest evenly on the grips when flipped over.


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