Rolls Royce Bicycle - Information needed

[dnc1]

Singer sewing machines made a model 201-2 which is known as the Rolls Royce of sewing machines. Probably is and was actually the the machine Rolls used for sewing interiors post WW2 into the 1960s. Roger

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Thanks for that Roger, did Singer use it in their advertising?

 

[bulldog1935]

no ads with the simile google up, but the guy who wrote the book has this reference that Rolls did use the 201 for sewing their leather
http://www.sewalot.com/singer_201k_sewalot.htm

 

[CharlesNichols]

Looks late 30s Westfield to me and sold by Crist. The stem is worth more than the whole bike. No sure if there was a legitimate RR connection or not. V/r Shawn

Thank you very much for the informatio

 

[CharlesNichols]

With a fairly extensive knowledge of automotive history, I highly doubt there's a connection. Usually, legit automotive connections come from a company that started building bicycles first and I have never heard of Henry Royce building bicycles before cars (and if he did, it would have to have been sometime in the 1890s, which is before this bike) and it just doesn't fit in the portfolio post 1906. The badge is also completely different.

Thank you - I now know it was more of a reference of quality and not the actual car company. Not sure it worked well for the Crist Co. but at least I have an idea of what the bike is about

 

[CharlesNichols]

Within the US, it appeared to be fair game to use the Rolls name to imply quality without worry of infringing on the trademark. It was very common among merchants (not manufacturers) to use the name.
An example from fly reels I can give is Herters from the '50s used the name and badge on fly reels they imported from Redditch.
I know Hardy Brothers wasn't this generous. I know of two American fly reels from the 20s/30s that copied their best and ended in court, one for a patent infringement, the other for a style trademark infringement (even though the mechanical patent had long expired)

Thanks I am getting a pretty good idea this has nothing to do with the actual Rolls Royce Co. Still like the bike - thanks for the info

 

[CharlesNichols]

Looks like an Elgin finned rear hub too

Thank you - I am new to bike collecting and I appreciate the knowledge

 

[CharlesNichols]

Blue bird stem very expensive.. $$$$$$ at the rate these bikes are going up I’d place 1k on it

Thank you for the information - not sure, but think I will keep it and start my first bike collection

 

[CharlesNichols]

Howdy! I really like the bike! Any chance in getting a more clear photo of the badge? Thanks, Barry

Here is what I could do - I get a lot of glare

 

[rustjunkie]

Check this:

https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/krolls-royce-photo-of-original-bike.107025/

https://www.leagle.com/decision/1942621126f2d4951447

 

[barneyguey]

Here is what I could do - I get a lot of glare

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Thanks for the photo sir! Have a happy New Year! Barry

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